I PRACTICE 12 HOUR IN ONE DAY

[kimba1055]

HI EVERY ONE FRIDAY I PRACTICE 6 HOUR AND SATURDAY 12 AND KNOW MY BODY F SO TIRED MY FINGERS FEEL TIRED TOO .  I DO NOT WANT TO PLAY TODAY
BECOUSE I FEEL TIRED BUT SOMETHING IN MY BRAIN IS LIKE TELLING ME GO TO PLAY
 SOME HOW I THINK I'M GETTING ADDICTED TO PLAYING THE PIANO .IS LIKE A DRUG ADDICT
PIANO IS ALL I WANT TO DO I DONT KNOW WHAT TO THINK BUT I WONDER IS TH GOOD OR BAD GOD.
SORRY FOR MY INGLISH .ANY COMMEN PLEASE.

[imbetter]

Not to put you down or anything and I know your foreign and you realize your English isn't perfect, but I couldn't understand that at all.

[pianistimo]

your finger is tired?  12 hours with one finger would do that to me, too.

seriously, what music are you working on this year?  sounds like you are enjoying it and the only thing i would say is that i think it is better to work less time and equalize the time throughout the week more.  but, if you cannot - don't hurt your back!  it can be better to practice a few less hours and go and work out, too.

[ada]

seriously this place is so full of crazies, neurotics, obsessive compulsives, internet addicts and personality disorders that I am surprised Britney Spears hasn't joined up.

[vicks080]

Good job. I can never find the motivation to play even for 3 hours.

[beethoven2]

Wow.  12 hours.   

I know how you feel....about the addiction thing.  Sometimes, I sit down and play until my arms feel as if they are gonna fall off.  I get up and leave.  Next thing I know, I'm back at the piano within 3 min.  I don't force myself to....if anything, I have to force myself not to!  This, luckily for me, does not happen every day.

[kimba1055]

Wow.  12 hours.   

I know how you feel....about the addiction thing.  Sometimes, I sit down and play until my arms feel as if they are gonna fall off.  I get up and leave.  Next thing I know, I'm back at the piano within 3 min.  I don't force myself to....if anything, I have to force myself not to!  This, luckily for me, does not happen every day.

WAO I SEE IS NOT ONLY ME IS THESE GOOD OR WE ARE CRAZY GOD?

[desordre]

 Dear Ada:

seriously this place is so full of crazies, neurotics, obsessive compulsives, internet addicts and personality disorders that I am surprised Britney Spears hasn't joined up.

Thanks a lot: you just made my day! 
 Best!

[imbetter]

seriously this place is so full of crazies, neurotics, obsessive compulsives, internet addicts and personality disorders that I am surprised Britney Spears hasn't joined up.

haha that was awsome.

[afamee]

seriously this place is so full of crazies, neurotics, obsessive compulsives, internet addicts and personality disorders that I am surprised Britney Spears hasn't joined up.

Seriously i think you (ada) is the crazy one here. Maybe you should find another forum to spew you kiddish comments. People come to this forum with serious problem that they need to be solved and you being special maybe think there questions are stupid. I think you should consider making a move ehh 

[debussy symbolism]

Seriously i think you (ada) is the crazy one here. Maybe you should find another forum to spew you kiddish comments. People come to this forum with serious problem that they need to be solved and you being special maybe think there questions are stupid. I think you should consider making a move ehh 

Greetings.

I have yet to see any form of talk that would be deemed "serious" around here. Unless you otherwise noticed, the quality of discussion here is now focused mainly on the "anything" room and all of the discussion that is about piano is probably already talked of multiple times earlier. Perhaps this is the reason why Bernhard left- because there is simply the one method of searching that obviously isn't done- the search button. The poster's inquiry about his practice regime is silly, and furthermore nothing to be proud of, since he mentioned that his fingers hurt. "Kimba," not to be rude, but how old are you? You seem to be coming here once in a while to post the results of your progress and compare them to others. I think I have seen you here when you had only 3 years of practice and now you are here again. Ada, yours was a truly amusing post to read.

[debussy symbolism]

HI EVERY ONE FRIDAY I PRACTICE 6 HOUR AND SATURDAY 12 AND KNOW MY BODY F SO TIRED MY FINGERS FEEL TIRED TOO .  I DO NOT WANT TO PLAY TODAY
BECOUSE I FEEL TIRED BUT SOMETHING IN MY BRAIN IS LIKE TELLING ME GO TO PLAY
 SOME HOW I THINK I'M GETTING ADDICTED TO PLAYING THE PIANO .IS LIKE A DRUG ADDICT
PIANO IS ALL I WANT TO DO I DONT KNOW WHAT TO THINK BUT I WONDER IS TH GOOD OR BAD GOD.
SORRY FOR MY INGLISH .ANY COMMEN PLEASE.

Maybe if you devote some of that 12 hours to learning English you will get more positive feedback from the forum, and your fingers won't hurt.

[kimba1055]

Maybe if you devote some of that 12 hours to learning English you will get more positive feedback from the forum, and your fingers won't hurt.

debussy im g to school im taking inglish is my thirth lg  .espanol
                                                                                      french
                                                                                      inglish

[rsolis]

Kimba, a veces un traductor ayuda bastante. Lo que la gente quiere decir no es tanto por los errores de escritura si no por la concordancia. Es un poco incuerente eso es todo.

Saludos y a meterle ganas al piano .

Rogelio

[jakev2.0]

debussy im g to school im taking inglish is my thirth lg  .espanol
                                                                                      french
                                                                                      inglish

"inglish"...OK..."INGLISH"?!!!

Buddy, being new to a language is one thing, but mispelling that language's NAME, especially when it is right in front of your fricken face, is just inexcusable. Get out of my sight.    You are incoherent, cannot spell, and generally give the impression of someone who should eat soup with water wings. Someone ban you.

[iumonito]

Hi Kimba,

I apologize for the other replies you have gotten.  I understood your message just fine:  you practice 6 hours a days during the week and 12 on Saturdays, and you want to find out if that is normal, plus you have noticed some physical fatigue and pain, yet you have the urge to go practice.  You may be worried you may have a touch of OCD.

I think it would be a good idea to practice fewer hours on Saturdays, or at least spend fewer hours at the piano.

Practicing in your head may be very good for you.

After 2 hours at the instrument, you should force yourself to take a break, at least 15 minutes.

Your regime is not unusual.  Most serious piano students spend 8 to 10 hours a day in front of the instrument.  I did it for years.

Enjoy it while you have the time.  It is the only way of mastering a large repertoire of difficult pieces quickly.  Without that type of concentration, it takes months to learn even moderately easy music.

Make sure you play with a relaxed technique, and use restrained power most of the time.

Good luck.

P.S.  What is your native language?

[kimba1055]

"inglish"...OK..."INGLISH"?!!!

Buddy, being new to a language is one thing, but mispelling that language's NAME, especially when it is right in front of your fricken face, is just inexcusable. Get out of my sight.    You are incoherent, cannot spell, and generally give the impression of someone who should eat soup with water wings. Someone ban you.

maybe my spelling is no good for you but i'm doing my best all you have to do is, if you see a comment f  kimba1055 ignore it, that will be a great help for me thanx you and i hope you have a good life.

[dnephi]

I practice 30 hours a day and my fingers break and I buy new fingers.

[kimba1055]

Hi Kimba,

I apologize for the other replies you have gotten.  I understood your message just fine:  you practice 6 hours a days during the week and 12 on Saturdays, and you want to find out if that is normal, plus you have noticed some physical fatigue and pain, yet you have the urge to go practice.  You may be worried you may have a touch of OCD.

I think it would be a good idea to practice fewer hours on Saturdays, or at least spend fewer hours at the piano.

Practicing in your head may be very good for you.

After 2 hours at the instrument, you should force yourself to take a break, at least 15 minutes.

Your regime is not unusual.  Most serious piano students spend 8 to 10 hours a day in front of the instrument.  I did it for years.

Enjoy it while you have the time.  It is the only way of mastering a large repertoire of difficult pieces quickly.  Without that type of concentration, it takes months to learn even moderately easy music.

Make sure you play with a relaxed technique, and use restrained power most of the time.

Good luck.

P.S.  What is your native language?

thanx you for those nice word i really  need them  some members at the forum  think they were born knowing all but learning is a process in life and learning english is one of mine  my n language hispanic  [ espanol ]

[vicks080]

I would've never thought a mature forum as this would have such rude members. This just gives me the impression that anybody that doesn't have their first language as english is not welcomed. And also just joined yesterday, this is a bad first impression.

[debussy symbolism]

"inglish"...OK..."INGLISH"?!!!

Buddy, being new to a language is one thing, but mispelling that language's NAME, especially when it is right in front of your fricken face, is just inexcusable. Get out of my sight.    You are incoherent, cannot spell, and generally give the impression of someone who should eat soup with water wings. Someone ban you.

Why all this hostility towards a new member? I don't understand-it is one thing to point out certain things to a member who is obviously new to something, but to tear at a member who is not only new but is seeking humble advice is not only rude, but incredibly arrogant. So what if he can't spell "English" correctly? How many languages have you learned or know?

[jakev2.0]

What I said was far more embarrassing.

Sorry for the over-reaction. I've had a lousy day.

[iumonito]

Kimba, bienvenido al foro.  Hay muchos jovencitos que hablan solo tonterias, y haces bien en ignorarlos.  Los reconoceras rapidamente; no pueden decir nada que valga la pena, asi que pierden el tiempo insultandose unos a otros y a quien se atraviese.

Que repertorio estas estudiando?

By the way, Jakev is a good guy and has valuable insight.  Don't ignore him.

Buena suerte, y la proxima vez, escribe "english."  Todos vamos aprendiendo.  A ver si uno de estos trogloditas que te salto encima habla español tan bien como tu ingles.

Sobre lo de la pratica, tienes que estar pendiente de no lastimarte fisicamente.  Para estudiar muchas horas al dia regularmente tienes que tocar bien relajado, y la mayor parte del tiempo no tocar a todo volumen, sino mas bien maximo mezzoforte (la idea es de Josef Hoffman).  Y vale la pena estudiar mucho en la cabeza y menos en el piano, te obliga a ser mas musical y a utilizar tu tiempo frente al instrumento mas eficientemente.

Donde vives?

[molto-marcato]

If you practice this intense how long would it take you to add a, lets say complete Beethoven sonata to your repertoire?

[franzliszt2]

It depends what you mean by learn a Beethoven sonata. It would take a very short space of time to learn the notes, but a long time to get to understand it.

[molto-marcato]

I mean developing the piece musically to audition level.

[steve_m]

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[kimba1055]

If you practice this intense how long would it take you to add a, lets say complete Beethoven sonata to your repertoire?

i learn beethoven sonata  op 49  # 2  like 3 to 4 week
and i  learn a clementi sonatina like 1 week.

[molto-marcato]

Hi Kimba,

op. 49-2 in a month sounds somewhat reasonable to me. Do you have a teacher? Since when do you play piano and do you do technical excercises? Do you go for 12h straight?if i did i think my back would hurt more than my fingers  .

Regards

[kimba1055]

Hi Kimba,

op. 49-2 in a month sounds somewhat reasonable to me. Do you have a teacher? Since when do you play piano and do you do technical excercises? Do you go for 12h straight?if i did i think my back would hurt more than my fingers  .

Regards

not 12 h straight but like f 8 am to 11 pm
i do have 2  teachers one for classical and one only for jazz and montunos i play for the last 4 years but like the firts 2 years i was not serius abouth it but since i got a new piano like two years ago i been working like 5 hours a day i want to be good i 'm 32 i want to be good b 36 years old  i hope .if you want to get some where you have to work fort it how abouth you talk to me abouth yourself ?

[zheer]

PIANO .IS LIKE A DRUG ADDICT
PIANO IS ALL I WANT TO DO I DONT KNOW WHAT TO THINK BUT I WONDER IS TH GOOD OR BAD GOD.

i 'm 32 i want to be good b 36 years old  i hope .

  You know that does suprise me, usually 15 - 18 year old feel that way about the piano,but soon realize that there is more to life than piano. You are a young person, however at 32 i would say 12 hours a day is far too much,i have no doubt that at 32 one can reach advanced level.However the piano is more like a marathon rather than a sprint to the finsh line, therefore pace yoyrself.

[iumonito]

not 12 h straight but like f 8 am to 11 pm
i do have 2  teachers one for classical and one only for jazz and montunos i play for the last 4 years but like the firts 2 years i was not serius abouth it but since i got a new piano like two years ago i been working like 5 hours a day i want to be good i 'm 32 i want to be good b 36 years old  i hope .if you want to get some where you have to work fort it how abouth you talk to me abouth yourself ?

I envy the availability of your time.  Do you do anything else?  Work?  I must say, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to spend all that time practicing unless you are working on worthwhile repertoire: the mature sonatas of Beethoven, Mozart and Haydn, the larger works of Chopin, including the etudes and the preludes as a set, some concertos.

12 hours of literature for beginers seems a little on the OCD side if you don't progress quickly from it.  At that pace Op. 49 # 2 should take a couple of days at the most (more like half a day).

You would use that time wisely to enrich your culture.  Read, work on your languages, learn painting and go to museums, listen to CDs and DVDs, watch some opera.  A pianist who is not cultivated will make his or her audience suffer through every phrase.

[jas]

Oh, for god's sake. Call me a cynic, but I would be very surprised if this post was genuine. First of all, it's any spammer's wet dream. Secondly, he hasn't replied to any of the posts that iumonito has made in ... (excuse my ignorance) Spanish? Thirdly, I don't see how someone can say "learning is a process in life" in a foreign language yet be unable to spell the name of said language. And lastly, what exactly was the point in the first post beyond "MUST ... GET ... REPLIES..."?

seriously this place is so full of crazies, neurotics, obsessive compulsives, internet addicts and personality disorders that I am surprised Britney Spears hasn't joined up.

I agree. I think this person is not so much "learning Inglish" as "complete nutter".

[kimba1055]

I envy the availability of your time.  Do you do anything else?  Work?  I must say, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to spend all that time practicing unless you are working on worthwhile repertoire: the mature sonatas of Beethoven, Mozart and Haydn, the larger works of Chopin, including the etudes and the preludes as a set, some concertos.

12 hours of literature for beginers seems a little on the OCD side if you don't progress quickly from it.  At that pace Op. 49 # 2 should take a couple of days at the most (more like half a day).

You would use that time wisely to enrich your culture.  Read, work on your languages, learn painting and go to museums, listen to CDs and DVDs, watch some opera.  A pianist who is not cultivated will make his or her audience suffer through every phrase.

i learn op 49 2  one year ago know i'm working on bach prelude and fugue # 3  book one . chopin waltz in c sharp minor  and some music fron raul diblasi corazon de nino  , and zcerny etude  op 3  740 i work in my father company real estate rental.
iumonito le puse un mesaje no se si lo recibio por que no me a contestado

[kimba1055]

Kimba, bienvenido al foro.  Hay muchos jovencitos que hablan solo tonterias, y haces bien en ignorarlos.  Los reconoceras rapidamente; no pueden decir nada que valga la pena, asi que pierden el tiempo insultandose unos a otros y a quien se atraviese.

Que repertorio estas estudiando?

By the way, Jakev is a good guy and has valuable insight.  Don't ignore him.

Buena suerte, y la proxima vez, escribe "english."  Todos vamos aprendiendo.  A ver si uno de estos trogloditas que te salto encima habla español tan bien como tu ingles.

Sobre lo de la pratica, tienes que estar pendiente de no lastimarte fisicamente.  Para estudiar muchas horas al dia regularmente tienes que tocar bien relajado, y la mayor parte del tiempo no tocar a todo volumen, sino mas bien maximo mezzoforte (la idea es de Josef Hoffman).  Y vale la pena estudiar mucho en la cabeza y menos en el piano, te obliga a ser mas musical y a utilizar tu tiempo frente al instrumento mas eficientemente.

Donde vives?

hola vivo en new york  sobre mi reportorio  trabajo mucho con bach well tempered clavier mi maestra me dice que es muy inportante aprender bach
ahora mismo estoy estudiando libro 1 prelude and fugue 3
                                                  y zcerny  740  3
                                                    chopin  op  64  2 me encanta esa piesa de chopin
quiero enpesar a trabajar en esos etude de chopin y polanaise heroique
pero mi maestra no quiere dice que todabia no estoy preparado para eso
pero creo que ya pronto si dios asi lo quiere .
sabe le queria preguntar cuando uste estudiaba todas esas hora como era su proceso de aprender un tema le tomaba semanas meses  horas por que no se pero yo con esas piesas de bach taldo meses en dominarla me agotan mucho.y gracis por sus palabra alentadora  me llenan de fuersa para seguir trabajando duro .sabes muchas personas tratan de que uno abandone lo que le gusta con sus comentarios feo pero persona como usted hacen todo lo contrario gracias por escucharme.

[soliloquy]

MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T TYPE IN ALL CAPS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO HOLD DOWN THE SHIFT BUTTON, ERGO YOUR FINGERS WOULD BE LESS TIRED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

seriously this place is so full of crazies, neurotics, obsessive compulsives, internet addicts and personality disorders that I am surprised Britney Spears hasn't joined up.

Weak.

[molto-marcato]

Iumonito

<You would use that time wisely to enrich your culture.  Read, work on your languages, learn painting and go to museums, listen to CDs and DVDs, watch some opera.  A pianist who is not cultivated will make his or her audience suffer through every phrase.>

I don't think you need to especially train your "cultural level". Think this will go alongside with your musical development. BTW, i have the worst painting ability in the world. I cannot even draw a straight line  but i wouldn't call my music less colorful. Listening to good music sure helps but is not a necessity. BTW, you imply that Kimba needs to work on all this, and you don't know anything besides the quality of his/her english language. I believe there must be/have been outstanding pianists/artists (especially from the former USSR) that don't speak any foreign language.

And Kimba: Keep on working. I wish i had the amount of time you have. After work i can hardly practice for 2,5h. Weekends maybe 4-5h . I play the piano for nearly 25 years now and never played 12h a day.

[kimba1055]

Iumonito

<You would use that time wisely to enrich your culture.  Read, work on your languages, learn painting and go to museums, listen to CDs and DVDs, watch some opera.  A pianist who is not cultivated will make his or her audience suffer through every phrase.>

I don't think you need to especially train your "cultural level". Think this will go alongside with your musical development. BTW, i have the worst painting ability in the world. I cannot even draw a straight line  but i wouldn't call my music less colorful. Listening to good music sure helps but is not a necessity. BTW, you imply that Kimba needs to work on all this, and you don't know anything besides the quality of his/her english language. I believe there must be/have been outstanding pianists/artists (especially from the former USSR) that don't speak any foreign language.

And Kimba: Keep on working. I wish i had the amount of time you have. After work i can hardly practice for 2,5h. Weekends maybe 4-5h . I play the piano for nearly 25 years now and never played 12h a day.

i'm going to keep on working some how piano is my only joy too bad i start it at 28 years old but is never too late [sorry for my english ]

[gruffalo]

Oh, for god's sake. Call me a cynic, but I would be very surprised if this post was genuine. First of all, it's any spammer's wet dream. Secondly, he hasn't replied to any of the posts that iumonito has made in ... (excuse my ignorance) Spanish? Thirdly, I don't see how someone can say "learning is a process in life" in a foreign language yet be unable to spell the name of said language. And lastly, what exactly was the point in the first post beyond "MUST ... GET ... REPLIES..."?
 I agree. I think this person is not so much "learning Inglish" as "complete nutter".

finally, someone with some sense.

[imbetter]

where were you born kimba?

[piano4me]

sorry for all the rude people on this forum. as many of them probably don't realize- learning a new language can be a challenge. I am currently learning espanol.  don't get down about some of these rude people. people with brains can understand you!

[kimba1055]

sorry for all the rude people on this forum. as many of them probably don't realize- learning a new language can be a challenge. I am currently learning espanol.  don't get down about some of these rude people. people with brains can understand you!

i know i only listen to the positive one i tried my best

[rh20030001]

sorry for all the rude people on this forum. as many of them probably don't realize- learning a new language can be a challenge. I am currently learning espanol.  don't get down about some of these rude people. people with brains can understand you!

I absolute agree with you.   if you have learned other language other than English  before, you will be much humble and not to  look down other 's  “inglish”.     

A lot great pianist not native English speaker,  or they even do not speak English.   

[danny elfboy]

Kimba, you don't need to spend 12 hours practicing
People have this belief that if you repeat something for many many times it magically will be learned and will become easy. They often forget that if you practice something many times making mistakes you're learning mistakes not what you're practicing. In that sense is better not to practice at all than practicing mistake

If you think of practice not as x amount of time at the keyboard but as "solving problems in your piece" you'll see that not only you need less time on the keyboard and more time resting, sleeping and letting "post practice processin" figure it out for you but that also it's a huge waste of time to spend 12 hours over the same things

The only way in which practicing a lot makes a lot of sense is when you practice a lot of different things.

A thumb of the rule imo is that

Practing a lot of a little IS A WASTE OF TIME
Practice a little of a lit   IS THE BEST WAY TO USE THAT TIME

With 12 hours practice and the same things to practice you have reached several several hours before the point in which your practicing is not having any ADDICTION effect to what you've already "provided" to your brain.

It's like standing near a faucet for 12 hours keeping filling a bottle of water for hours ,even if the bottle is ALREADY FULL, just because somehow you believe that the more same water you put in the water the more water you will have even if the bottle was already full several hours before and no more water is going into the bottle it is all slipping away.

Don't worry about your english ... many people don't even attempt to learn another language. Be proud of your challenge and don't mind criticism ... you'll improve

[ail]

Oh, for god's sake. Call me a cynic, but I would be very surprised if this post was genuine. First of all, it's any spammer's wet dream. Secondly, he hasn't replied to any of the posts that iumonito has made in ... (excuse my ignorance) Spanish? Thirdly, I don't see how someone can say "learning is a process in life" in a foreign language yet be unable to spell the name of said language. And lastly, what exactly was the point in the first post beyond "MUST ... GET ... REPLIES..."?
 I agree. I think this person is not so much "learning Inglish" as "complete nutter".

My thought too. The first tell-tale sign is the all-caps text; the second is that after the first posts after the message's English, the next messages were in a very different standard; there have been replies in spanish only after this message; the whole point of the first message is very troll-esque. 'Am I addicted? Am I normal?"

I don't know, it's more a feeling than something rational, but I qualified that first post as typical of a forum troll, as I have seen many times before in other places (and also in this forum by someone who periodically claims to have the most fantastic teaching method in the world).


Alex

[stephanie-piano]

WOW.


12 hours.


I practice only 6-7 a day...

[kimba1055]

Kimba, you don't need to spend 12 hours practicing
People have this belief that if you repeat something for many many times it magically will be learned and will become easy. They often forget that if you practice something many times making mistakes you're learning mistakes not what you're practicing. In that sense is better not to practice at all than practicing mistake

If you think of practice not as x amount of time at the keyboard but as "solving problems in your piece" you'll see that not only you need less time on the keyboard and more time resting, sleeping and letting "post practice processin" figure it out for you but that also it's a huge waste of time to spend 12 hours over the same things

The only way in which practicing a lot makes a lot of sense is when you practice a lot of different things.

A thumb of the rule imo is that

Practing a lot of a little IS A WASTE OF TIME
Practice a little of a lit   IS THE BEST WAY TO USE THAT TIME

With 12 hours practice and the same things to practice you have reached several several hours before the point in which your practicing is not having any ADDICTION effect to what you've already "provided" to your brain.

It's like standing near a faucet for 12 hours keeping filling a bottle of water for hours ,even if the bottle is ALREADY FULL, just because somehow you believe that the more same water you put in the water the more water you will have even if the bottle was already full several hours before and no more water is going into the bottle it is all slipping away.

Don't worry about your english ... many people don't even attempt to learn another language. Be proud of your challenge and don't mind criticism ... you'll improve

thanx you  for your comment.
i'm confused w how many hour to practice becouse i read the book  abouth  chopin
                             [pianist and teacher ]
and choipin recomended his student not to practiced more than 3 hour a day.
but then i got  a book fron liszt where he recomended to practice until your body can not take anymore he talk abouth 8 10  14 hours .

[danny elfboy]

thanx you  for your comment.
i'm confused w how many hour to practice becouse i read the book  abouth  chopin
                             [pianist and teacher ]
and choipin recomended his student not to practiced more than 3 hour a day.
but then i got  a book fron liszt where he recomended to practice until your body can not take anymore he talk abouth 8 10  14 hours .

It's too individual ... there are not strict rules ... it's not like xxx amount of time better results compared to xxx amount of time. It's very relative and can't be generalized like that

My rule of the thumb is to never spend too much time over the same thing. If you practice for a lot of time it must mean that you have a LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND PIECES TO PRACTICE otherwise it's wasted time

What really matter as practiced time is concerned is how many things you practice in that amount of time not how many times you practice the same thing. Mindless repetition by itself has not the power to improve something, to make it right if it is wrong, to make it easy if it's hard and so on. What really happens that something clicks in the pianist as he/she instinctive "find the way". It should have happened way before and it came after so many practice time because of frustration and lack of results and not as a product of so much practice.

I would stick with Chopin
Chopin was notorious for pushing effortless playing and efficient technique (best expressivity with the least amount of physical effort)
When he kept saying to his students "facilement, facilmente (easily)" he showed to really understand the key of piano playing: economical motions that must look easy and natural. To play with effort and fatigue is playing with wrong technique and wrong motions.

Liszt has been brainwashed by Czerny finger-workout dogma for a while so you don't know whether you're reading from the czerny Liszt or the post-czerny Liszt
With Chopin you're more sure. He had GREAT result with his students and focused and mastered the teaching and practicing of a point which is even more important today given the number of injuried pianists, students and teacher (often to the level of giving up any performing career ... even amateurial playing) tensioless, effortless and efficient playing

[kimba1055]

It's too individual ... there are not strict rules ... it's not like xxx amount of time better results compared to xxx amount of time. It's very relative and can't be generalized like that

My rule of the thumb is to never spend too much time over the same thing. If you practice for a lot of time it must mean that you have a LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND PIECES TO PRACTICE otherwise it's wasted time

What really matter as practiced time is concerned is how many things you practice in that amount of time not how many times you practice the same thing. Mindless repetition by itself has not the power to improve something, to make it right if it is wrong, to make it easy if it's hard and so on. What really happens that something clicks in the pianist as he/she instinctive "find the way". It should have happened way before and it came after so many practice time because of frustration and lack of results and not as a product of so much practice.

I would stick with Chopin
Chopin was notorious for pushing effortless playing and efficient technique (best expressivity with the least amount of physical effort)
When he kept saying to his students "facilement, facilmente (easily)" he showed to really understand the key of piano playing: economical motions that must look easy and natural. To play with effort and fatigue is playing with wrong technique and wrong motions.

Liszt has been brainwashed by Czerny finger-workout dogma for a while so you don't know whether you're reading from the czerny Liszt or the post-czerny Liszt
With Chopin you're more sure. He had GREAT result with his students and focused and mastered the teaching and practicing of a point which is even more important today given the number of injuried pianists, students and teacher (often to the level of giving up any performing career ... even amateurial playing) tensioless, effortless and efficient playing

are you a profecional .how long you been playing and what piece are you learning know.

[danny elfboy]

are you a profecional .how long you been playing and what piece are you learning know.

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