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Busoni – 25 original pieces and 15 Bach transcriptions

The Italian pianist Busoni’s important achievements as a composer were long over-shadowed by the fact that he was generally thought the greatest piano virtuoso after Liszt. The solo piano versions of Bach’s Toccata and Fugue in D Minor (for organ) and the Chaconne from the second Violin Partita are among his most well-known transcriptions. Read more >>

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« Reply #150 on: March 24, 2007, 06:45:23 PM »

YOU ARE SO ANNOYING OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #151 on: March 24, 2007, 11:06:44 PM »

YOU ARE SO ANNOYING OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Master of the understatment...   Grin

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« Reply #152 on: March 24, 2007, 11:09:28 PM »

YOU ARE SO ANNOYING OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Respectfull disagreed, but I do not see how this relates to why I am apparently 'dellusional'.
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« Reply #153 on: March 26, 2007, 09:31:15 PM »

The evidence there suggests merely that I think of girls and women as sexual entittties to be admired and pleasured accordingly.



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« Reply #154 on: March 26, 2007, 10:01:57 PM »

well, if it isnt trumofo. how fitting this thread is for you.
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« Reply #155 on: March 27, 2007, 06:59:25 AM »

He only just entered because he had trouble fitting.

Jre, how would you say your technical abilities are at the piano as compared to mine?
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« Reply #156 on: March 27, 2007, 09:29:48 PM »

He only just entered because he had trouble fitting.

Jre, how would you say your technical abilities are at the piano as compared to mine?

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Yeah, I agree- his head *is* incredibly bloated.  Roll Eyes

Jre would be roughly about 700000000000 times technically better than you- he can actually hit the right notes at a correct tempo. And he can play the Kapustin variations, which is totally insane, lol.

btw it amuses me greatly how you always challenge people to an etude show down- like you know your musicality is such crap you could NEVER compete with say, a chopin mazurka, schubert impromptu, or a scriabin prelude as the chosen piece.
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« Reply #157 on: March 27, 2007, 09:39:37 PM »

And he can play the Kapustin variations, which is totally insane, lol.

sorry, im a bit naive - you are joking, right?
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« Reply #158 on: March 27, 2007, 09:44:23 PM »

sorry, im a bit naive - you are joking, right?

No, I'm not. He CAN play them and they're very difficult.
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« Reply #159 on: March 27, 2007, 10:23:41 PM »

Let there be peace in this thread.

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« Reply #160 on: March 28, 2007, 12:21:56 AM »

No, I'm not. He CAN play them and they're very difficult.

I think he meant to ask whether you are joking about them being 'insane'.

I like that piece alot though.

Does Jre want a MUSICALITY showdown?

The reason I don't challenge people to musicality duels is because they aren't as exciting and more difficult to objectively judge, but still, I'm open to submitting a recording and polling the winner.

What piece shall we duel on?
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« Reply #161 on: March 28, 2007, 12:56:28 AM »


The reason I don't challenge people to musicality duels is because they aren't as exciting and more difficult to objectively judge, but still, I'm open to submitting a recording and polling the winner.

What piece shall we duel on?

Well, you want a technical duel? I'd be up to it.
How about Chopin etudes? Some harder ones... what are they--Op10/1,2,4,8 or Op25/6, 8, 11?

Take your pick. Does a week sound good for preparation and recording? Or do you want two weeks, a month, or whatever?
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« Reply #162 on: March 28, 2007, 01:04:23 AM »

 Grin

Marik, I have great respect for you as a pianist, and I know I would lose.

Maybe in a few years  Cool

Jre and mozartian are more in my league of experience, I've only been playing less than 5 years.
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« Reply #163 on: March 28, 2007, 01:28:26 AM »

Let there be peace in this thread.

Thal

For once, I actually agree with thal.

If you want to set up a pissing contest, do so in the misc or the anything but piano rooms.

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« Reply #164 on: March 28, 2007, 01:56:18 AM »


Maybe in a few years  Cool

Jre and mozartian are more in my league of experience, I've only been playing less than 5 years.

Oh, I see.
Reading your posts about how good you are, I just did not realize that.

Just out of curiosity, why then you always argue about technique as if you understand something about it?
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« Reply #165 on: March 28, 2007, 02:08:21 AM »

I have my own opinions, and just because I may have less experience doesn't make them less valid.

I think we, and more people on this forum, think the same way about more thinks than it would appear, alot of the debates is basically about semantics, and the confusion caused by using different words to define the same thing.

The debate over technique vs. musicality doesn't really exist to me, because both are very important issues, but I appear to be in the minority that I can appreciate both seperately and independantly from the other.

My basic philosophy is the same as others, except that specific repertoire can and SHOULD be used to play as fast as possible.
This is not to say that it will detract from the musical impact of these pieces, because the pieces which I intend for this purpose actually sound great at extreme tempos.

There has always been a 'battle' between technicians and musicians, and their appreciators, but I am merely trying to find a healthy harmony of understanding of the symbiosis of both, and the fact that they can be credibly seperated.
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« Reply #166 on: March 28, 2007, 02:19:28 AM »

And the duel discussion should be continued here -

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,24165.0.html
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« Reply #167 on: March 30, 2007, 12:21:08 AM »

No, I'm not. He CAN play them and they're very difficult.

difficult?? are you joking? you must be joking. eh??
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« Reply #168 on: March 30, 2007, 12:33:07 AM »

Jre and mozartian are more in my league of experience, I've only been playing less than 5 years.

im beyond your league of experience. ive been playing for over 10 years, comme.

Does Jre want a MUSICALITY showdown?

The reason I don't challenge people to musicality duels is because they aren't as exciting and more difficult to objectively judge, but still, I'm open to submitting a recording and polling the winner.

this type of duel would actually be more desireable. firstly, ill admit it right now. my technique isnt the greatest. also, you would fail miserably at this. we all know that you have no regard for musicality, which proves my claim, basically.
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« Reply #169 on: March 30, 2007, 12:52:29 AM »

difficult?? are you joking? you must be joking. eh??

You think they're easy? Wow, you're even stupider than I thought.
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« Reply #170 on: March 30, 2007, 12:53:41 AM »

difficult?? are you joking? you must be joking. eh??

yeah, seconded. its a really difficult piece, no matter how you look at it. look at the sheets and youll see for yourself.
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« Reply #171 on: March 30, 2007, 04:34:15 AM »

im beyond your league of experience. ive been playing for over 10 years, comme.

this type of duel would actually be more desireable. firstly, ill admit it right now. my technique isnt the greatest. also, you would fail miserably at this. we all know that you have no regard for musicality, which proves my claim, basically.

I have regard for musicality, I have never said I don't, I just have more regard than most for virtuosity for it's own sake.

Name some pieces youd learn and play for the duel.
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« Reply #172 on: March 30, 2007, 07:44:02 AM »

anyone want a duel with me? how about first section of bethofen fur elise or barh mineut in g? two years from now? tds
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« Reply #173 on: March 30, 2007, 08:50:29 AM »

ok tds, you asked for it. prepare to be humiliated. i'll see you in march 2009.
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« Reply #174 on: March 30, 2007, 10:02:25 AM »

anyone want a duel with me? how about first section of bethofen fur elise or barh mineut in g? two years from now? tds

My suggestion: Rach 3, first 24 bars of the piano part  Cheesy
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« Reply #175 on: March 30, 2007, 02:21:36 PM »

I almost forgot that this thread was once about Lang Lang.

Let's see if all the problems can be solved at once:

And the duel discussion should be continued here -

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,24165.0.html

...and yet it wasn't?   Huh

I have regard for musicality, I have never said I don't, I just have more regard than most for virtuosity for it's own sake.

Name some pieces youd learn and play for the duel.

Again, see above. Actually, I find your comments mildly ironic, since you were the one who both created the dueling thread and linked to it.

yeah, seconded. its a really difficult piece, no matter how you look at it. look at the sheets and youll see for yourself.

The Kapustin Variations are tough, but I would not expect someone who played Gaspard de la Nuit before he learned a concerto to see it the same way.

difficult?? are you joking? you must be joking. eh??

Similarly, you should have some respect for those of us who are at a lower skill level than you.


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« Reply #176 on: April 19, 2007, 10:22:18 PM »

You think they're easy? Wow, you're even stupider than I thought.

am i? i've played them, so i know theyre easy compared to TONNES of other music.

to be fair theyre not "insane" at all.

but at the end of the day it's really not technique that counts, and from his posts jre sounds like a fabulous musician, so i'm sure he would definitely beat the crap out of opus10no2 in a duel.
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« Reply #177 on: April 19, 2007, 10:25:23 PM »

Similarly, you should have some respect for those of us who are at a lower skill level than you.

Phil

jre (& phil) i'd like to apologise for my disrespectful comment. it was a bit thoughtless & arrogant and i have no doubt that while i may or may not have a better technique you're probably both much finer musicians than i am.
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« Reply #178 on: April 19, 2007, 10:30:09 PM »

jre (& phil) i'd like to apologise for my disrespectful comment. it was a bit thoughtless & arrogant and i have no doubt that while i may or may not have a better technique you're probably both much finer musicians than i am.

Jre is, unfortunately, no longer here.  Cry

But, I accept. Glad this thread could be brought to at least a few good terms.

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« Reply #179 on: April 19, 2007, 11:08:29 PM »

from his posts jre sounds like a fabulous musician

Aww, don't be so harsh.  Smiley
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« Reply #180 on: April 20, 2007, 01:25:17 AM »

Jre is, unfortunately, no longer here.  Cry
He's left? pourquoi?
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« Reply #181 on: May 14, 2007, 04:00:04 PM »

because imbetter apparently got him banned.
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« Reply #182 on: May 29, 2007, 10:30:44 PM »

His technique is excellent and he is highly entertaining but if you take him and compare him with a pianist like Stephen Hough, he is nothing
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« Reply #183 on: June 06, 2007, 07:17:40 AM »

i think he should stay away from a piano.

Quite right!

And stay away from the food as well -- he's going to eat himself into an early grave.

As a pianist, he's overrated -- and if his technique is so good, why does he simplify some of the RH arpeggiated chord passages in the last movement of the Mendelssohn concerto? (The arpeggio played with fingering 5321 instead of 3521).
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« Reply #184 on: November 21, 2007, 06:30:57 AM »

So, have opinions changed in the time since this topic was active?

I'd like to think people are more enlightened now.
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« Reply #185 on: May 09, 2008, 09:42:24 PM »

no hes not good, he sucks
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« Reply #186 on: May 12, 2008, 02:43:18 PM »

i recognized the voice...aint dat u opus?
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« Reply #187 on: May 12, 2008, 07:23:54 PM »

I like Lang Lang, this documentary changed my outlook on him after previously being influenced by the majority on here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Db3VpZ_FGk
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« Reply #188 on: February 12, 2014, 03:53:39 PM »

He's THE BEST.
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« Reply #189 on: February 12, 2014, 10:10:28 PM »

He's THE BEST.

Just remember.....

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« Reply #190 on: February 16, 2014, 09:41:45 PM »

Lang Lang is the best living pianist in the world!!
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« Reply #191 on: February 17, 2014, 05:42:31 AM »

Lang Lang is the best living pianist in the world!!
TRUE TRUE VERY TRUE AT LAST THERE'S A LANG LANG FAN :DDDDDD
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« Reply #192 on: February 17, 2014, 08:21:44 AM »

It is nothing less than retarded to suggest he is the best living pianist in the World.

Might be the most popular or the highest paid, but if you ask pianists instead of children, I doubt if he would make the top 50 of most.

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« Reply #193 on: February 17, 2014, 08:43:17 AM »

It is nothing less than retarded to suggest he is the best living pianist in the World.

Might be the most popular or the highest paid, but if you ask pianists instead of children, I doubt if he would make the top 50 of most.

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« Reply #194 on: February 17, 2014, 09:40:22 AM »

It is nothing less than retarded to suggest he is the best living pianist in the World.

Might be the most popular or the highest paid, but if you ask pianists instead of children, I doubt if he would make the top 50 of most.
Quite right!

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« Reply #195 on: February 17, 2014, 10:24:41 AM »

Quite right!

Best,

Alistair

That might be my new signature.

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« Reply #196 on: February 17, 2014, 02:27:56 PM »

That might be my new signature.
What's wrong with your current one?

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« Reply #197 on: February 18, 2014, 02:22:25 AM »

Lang Lang is indeed a very talented pianist, and he has, without a doubt, many wonderful performances. I heard his Op. 25 Chopin Etudes on Youtube in an audio recording and was impressed. However, if I hear him, I LOVE him, if I watch him, I hate him.

I actually had the pleasure of hearing him live back in April 2010 playing Prokofiev's 3rd Piano Concerto with the Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra and it was amazing! The hall was packed!!!! It was a standing ovation. As an encore, he played Chopin's "Aeolian Harp" Etude, the Op. 25 No. 1.

However, technology has taken performing down a very long road, and Lang Lang is very influenced by this. This is why he has chosen to become a circus animal instead of an artist. He is giving up the integrity of music for money! Today's classical piano performance industry has evolved into a more pop-culture style, meaning people care about looks more than about music, including flying fingers, and how people dress. I mean, these things always mattered, but even more so now.

Today's players are heavily influenced by Lang Lang, and many of them no longer care about the great values of the past. I have seen so many generations between Horowitz and us, and I do not like the direction things are going. If Lang Lang is the direction things are going, we are really in trouble.
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« Reply #198 on: March 02, 2014, 11:47:41 PM »

Some misinformed people think Lang Lang is too emotional or doesn't quite grasp the music. I think quite the opposite.

And really, it doesn't matter whether they like him or not, Lang Lang is the most popular and highest paid pianist of all time (2nd to Liberace). The younger crowd is attracted to his emotional playing. In my experience, people who play advanced piano (probably 5% of the population) don't like him, but people who don't play the piano (more like 90% of the population) love him. That 5% can say all they want about him, but fact is, he's laughing all the way to the bank!

For those of you who disagree with me, READ HIS BIOGRAPHY. I guarantee that it will change your view. He strived to become "Number One," sometimes playing six to seven hours a day! He has worked as hard as any pianist, and he deserves any attention that he gets.
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« Reply #199 on: May 28, 2014, 10:26:17 PM »

Lang Lang is much like Nicholas Cage. In any given performance, you have no idea whether you are going to get good or bad results, but you're more likely going to see bad.
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