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« on: February 24, 2004, 10:47:10 PM »
I am currutly working on this well-known piece. I felt so complicated when I was trying to match both hands with playing evenly. Is there any good way to practise this piece?

The most amazing thing is after hours of practice, my fingers shrinked and they looked much shorter and stonger than before. Can anyone explain that?
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2004, 02:22:22 AM »
Yes.

Have a look here, and Chang will walk you step by step through the way to master the Fantasie Impromptu:

http://members.aol.com/cc88m/PianoBook.html
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2004, 03:03:20 AM »
I'm not learning this piece, but I'm interested in the site. Where does it guide you step by step?
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2004, 03:33:02 AM »
I read this book some 3 or 4 years ago. I don't remember the exact page. But it is there, after he explains all the basic stuff he uses both Fur Elise and the Fantasy Impropmptu as an example of how to go about using his method to learn a simple (Fur Elise) and  an Advanced piece (Fantasy).
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2004, 05:06:50 AM »
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I am currutly working on this well-known piece. I felt so complicated when I was trying to match both hands with playing evenly. Is there any good way to practise this piece?

I recently played this piece for a college audition.  I have a few years experience with it and love it, although it gets tedious (repeats just about every section) and tiring.
I don't remember too well actually learning the piece, but I remember it coming to me fairly naturally.  One thing I can tell you, after conquering the 4 on 3, is do not try to attack it mathematically.  It will only drive you crazy trying to master the rhythm or at the very least, leave you sounding mechanized.  Just get a few measures slow, to where the main downbeats line up with the left hand- let it flow.  Just mix the rhythms, while getting the landmark notes together- everything in between will fall in to place intuitively (hopefully).

As for the case of the shrinking hands, I don't have much scientific evidence to support your claim.  My hands seem to have only grown since then.  I'm up to a 12th  Smiley.
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2004, 06:00:44 AM »
i echo what allchopin says....i learned abou thalf of the first section and then got bored with the piece   :-/ but yeah you absolutely cannot try to do the 4 over 3 in exact timing at that speed.....you'll die of frustration.
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2004, 10:58:25 AM »
don't try to learn it with both hands slowly! learn separately, practice separately both hands until they both know (by heart) exactly what they have to do -in tempo. then start practicing with both hands, always in tempo. if they both can play their part keeping the accurate rythm, everything will be ok.
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2004, 08:54:01 PM »
Have a look at these threads:

http://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=stud;action=display;num=1075509267

http://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=stud;action=display;num=1075044698

http://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=stud;action=display;num=1034251293

They discuss several ways to tackle 3 against 4 (and others).

Best wishes,
Bernhard.
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2004, 04:45:21 PM »
Hi

What grade is this piece and is there anywhere I can download a copy of it?

Thankyou in Advance
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2004, 05:55:34 PM »
In the ABRSM it could be a grade 7 or 8 piece - I'm not very familiar with the ABRSM system though. In the RCM's grade system, the Fantasie-Impromptu is at the Associate or "ARCT" level.

From the sheetmusicarchive:
Fantasie-Impromptu Op. 66 - http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/compositions_b/imp66.pdf
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2004, 06:45:47 PM »
Thanks much appreciated
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2004, 04:22:47 PM »
Hi
I play by ear but obvioulsy learning this piece I will require the score which I now have howver i have no chance without a recording of it too - what is the best most inspiring recording of this piece should i purchase to use as my guide?

cheers
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2004, 12:06:00 AM »
Absolutely the quite popular and downloadable Dubravka Tomsic version;  smooth and perfect in every way.  If you come across it, it should be 5:15.  Yundi Li has a great recording also, but I haven't found it yet (I've just heard the first part in a movie clip).
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2006, 04:11:30 PM »
Quote from: bernhard on February 25, 2004, 08:54:01 PM
Have a look at these threads:

http://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=stud;action=display;num=1075509267

http://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=stud;action=display;num=1075044698

http://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=stud;action=display;num=1034251293

They discuss several ways to tackle 3 against 4 (and others).

Best wishes,
Bernhard.


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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2006, 05:10:45 PM »
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Now, now don´t panic. Wink

These threads refer you to the old URL, from the Jurassic period of the forum. The threads still exist, they have just been renamed. Even better, new threads dealing with the same stuff had been written since then.  Cheesy

So have a look here: Tongue

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2135.msg17950.html#msg17950
(How to use words to deal with 3 against 4)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2185.msg18517.html#msg18517
(3 x 2 – dropping notes)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2655.msg22751.html#msg22751
(triplets against eighths – diagrams)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4156.msg38585.html#msg38585
(coordinating cross-rhythms)

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,15801.0.html
(7s against 8s)

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,14937.0.html
(2s against 3s)

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,7077.msg78204.html#msg78204
(cross rhythms on fantasie impromptu)

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/board,1/topic,10974.10.html#msg115011
(detailed explanation of polirhythms on Chopin Op. 25 no. 1)

Best wishes,
Bernhard.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2006, 07:36:44 PM »
Quote from: Chitch on February 26, 2004, 05:55:34 PM
In the ABRSM it could be a grade 7 or 8 piece - I'm not very familiar with the ABRSM system though. In the RCM's grade system, the Fantasie-Impromptu is at the Associate or "ARCT" level.

From the sheetmusicarchive:
Fantasie-Impromptu Op. 66 - http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/compositions_b/imp66.pdf

Im pretty sure this piece is above the standard AB grades. They have Op 55 No 1 in the current Gr8 list, and that is considerably easier than FI imo.

SJ
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