don't eat cookie dough

[pianistimo]

this one is for mothers who say 'oh, alright - but don't eat too much'

listen to this:
homemade cookie dough often contains raw eggs and is 40% of the cause of bacterial sickness.  no food is sterile until it is cooked. 

last september, two-year-old kyle of chubbechuck, idaho died of kidney failure after drinking a spinach smoothie made by his mother.  kyles death turned out to be part of a widespread outbreak of e-coli.

and watch out for raspberries.

ps remember the jack in the box effect?  keep a diary of when you eat out, where, and what you ate.  just an idea.  anyways- today is 'paranoid day' after reading reader's digest.

[rach n bach]

"Paranoid day" is right...

I'll say that any mother who makes her 2 year-old drink spinich smoothies needs to get a life.

Also, the salmonella that comes from eggs comes from the shell.  Soooo, if you use "home grown" eggs, like I do, you don't have to worry about it.  You could also try just washing them, but I haven't brought myself to do this.

Also, different foods need to be cooked to differnt tempetures.  For example, beef is fine at 130-135 F, but my chicken better be 160F when it's done, and I just want my eggs firm, that's close enough

RnB

[pianistimo]

interesting you 'homegrow' your eggs.  is this in a petrie dish or something? (just kidding) we used to have chickens back home, too, and the eggs tasted a lot better than store bought.  i don't know how my mom had the patience or time to take care of a small farm AND us. 

most recent reader's digest (page 118):

you can order 'safeggs' online (safeeggs.com)  'people know not to eat their chicken until it is fully cooked...but they often don'tknow the risks of over easy eggs for breakfast.'

this company pasteurizes about 100 million eggs a year by immersing them into a giant jacuzzi.  the hourlong process is computerized so the timing and temp of the water bath kills all bacteria or viruses that may have been passed on by a contaminated hen.  all this is done without breaking the yoke, cooking the product or changing its taste or consistency.  when the egss come out, they're coated with food-grade wax so no environmental contaminants can enter. then they're dried and stamped with the letter 'P' in a red circle before they're packed to ship.   (must mean pasteurized.  duh).

anyways - just helping to promote 'paranoid day.'

anything else anyone is paranoid about?

[lau]

this is retarded!  and anyways, the chances of an egg being contaminated with salmonella is 1 in 10,000 eggs. poop on you.

[rach n bach]

this is retarded! what's the point in life if you don't take risks?

OK

*Spins revolver chamber*

Click

"Your turn lau"

*Spins revolver chamber*

BLAM

You lose!   

RnB

[pianistimo]

and you're a chef.  you should be ashamed of yourself.  stop bringing poop into this.

ok.  there is a guideline here somewhere's.  oh.  if you are senior, infant, child, pregnant, diabetic, or have a compromised immune system.  and, also if you are paranoid.  otherwise- EAT ALL THE COOKIE DOUGH YOU WANT.  just don't blame me when you die of a stomach ache.

[thalbergmad]

anything else anyone is paranoid about?

Pointless threads.

Thal

[lau]

i'll take my chances. There are many other risks of getting food poisoning that people rarely even think about and the odds of them affecting you are higher. quit being a wimp about getting these little food poisonings, you're going to die anyway, but i guess this involves suffering so i guess i am wrong so poop.

i know you didn't want me to say poop, but i guess i'll be like everyone else and do the contrary to what you want. i usually wouldn't do such a gross gesture.

[le_poete_mourant]

what about cookie dough ice cream?? 

if i die eating cookie dough, i think i might just die happy. 

[pianistimo]

can't imagine reputable ice-cream parlors serving cookie dough with a lot of raw eggs in it.  perhaps they don't put any eggs in the cookie dough?  or, perhaps the people who order it have become immune to cookie dough because of their propensity to eat a lot of it?  in any case, i do find it odd that there seem to be relatively few deaths at ice-cream parlors despite the obesity one finds there.

[le_poete_mourant]

aren't there other foods that use raw eggs??  i think some people put raw eggs in those little anti-hangover blends they make the morning after you go get plastered.  and what about the sushi that uses raw fish?  i mean, there are plenty of foods that are probably much more likely to kill you than cookie dough.  isn't there some japanese fish that's poisonous that people eat, and a good number die every year because they got a poisoned part? 

anyway, i think SPINACH is much more likely to kill me. 

[pianistimo]

yes.  i think they are called blow fish.  why don't we make one giant concoction right now with everything all together and then call it 'dog food.'    blow fish, cookie dough, spinach, and raw meat.    (why did i say that?) 

looking at those poor dogs on last night's tv show - made me - for the first time want to kill the person that did this.  the dogs who ate the bad food have defunct kidneys now.

here's a site that explains 'how to eat fugu:' 
https://www.eugeneciurana.com/musings/sushi-eating-HOWTO.html#label_9

it doesn't convince me.   

[thalbergmad]

yes.  i think they are called blow fish. 

Why is it called that?

Thal

[rach n bach]

Why is it called that?

Don't know, but if it is half of what it sounds like, it shouldn't kill you...

RnB

[pianistimo]

you should know by now, thal, never to ask the question.  as far as i know - blow fish only give temporary pleasures in eating them.  namely that your tongue gets these pringly sensations.  but, if you lose sensation in your tongue altogether - you should call in the ambulance - because the next thing to go is your respiratory section. 

[thalbergmad]

you should know by now, thal, never to ask the question.  as far as i know - blow fish only give temporary pleasures in eating them.  namely that your tongue gets these pringly sensations.  but, if you lose sensation in your tongue altogether - you should call in the ambulance - because the next thing to go is your respiratory section. 

Oh, so a blow fish is so named because it gives you pleasure with its tongue.

Just what i thought,

Thanks

Thal

[lau]

what about cookie dough ice cream?? 

if i die eating cookie dough, i think i might just die happy. 

the cookie doough in commercial ice cream has pasterized eggs, and so does store bought premade cookie dough.

so poop on you

[rach n bach]

Lau, poop has other problems with it...

Oh, and fugu is actually pretty good.  It's just a bit dangerous... but it's ok if you know what you are doing.

RnB

[le_poete_mourant]

the cookie doough in commercial ice cream has pasterized eggs, and so does store bought premade cookie dough.

so poop on you

well in that case i will never again ingest it.   

louis pasteur & i do not get along well. 

[pianistimo]

thal, blow fish do not have tongues.  at least i never saw one stick it's tongue out.  fish don't have tongues do they?

now- for all you paranoid people - 'bud-type headphones (ones you insert into your ear) can expose your ears to damaging levels of sound, according to a new study.  exposure may even cause irreversible hearing loss or problems such as tinnitus.  researchers suggest limiting ear bud use to 1 hour or less a day at a volume of no more than 60 percent of max.  this is especially important for young ears, given that recent government research shows that app. 5.2 million us children ages 6-19 may have noise-induced hearing loss.'

i think this may fall on a few deaf ears.

btw, i tried to steal my son's i-pod last night when he was sleeping -just to see what would happen.  he actually opened his eyes.  then, i said i was just going to turn it off.  (he leaves it on all night sometimes).  what is this obsession with i-pods, too?  between ear phone buds and looking at these very tiny i-pod screens - (hate to say it) but the next generation is not only going to be deaf but blind, too. 

[elspeth]

in any case, i do find it odd that there seem to be relatively few deaths at ice-cream parlors despite the obesity one finds there.

The thing you have to be careful of with icecream is how it's handled and stored. If it's allowed to partially (or fully!) thaw and then is refrozen and subsequently eaten, it grows all sorts of nasty little bugs that will give you horrendous food poisoning - and domestic-standard freezing them doesn't kill them, it just makes them doze off until the iceream thaws again when you eat it... I work in a theatre so sell a lot of icecream and the man from elfin safety gets very stressed if he catches us with stock out of the freezers for longer than its prescribed twenty minutes.

Another one that's really dodgy is egg fried rice if you get a Chinese takeaway, don't eat it all the day you get it so reheat it the next day. It's one of the top-ranking causes of food poisoning in the UK.

[pianistimo]

uh oh.  egg fried rice?  it's funny the things parents tell their kids.  eat your leftovers.  didn't know it could kill them.  are you saying the first meal shouldn't leave the food out for more than enough to eat it.  if it is refrigerated right away -then it's ok? 

[elspeth]

You just have to make very sure when you reheat it it's properly cooked through to kill the bugs - just warming it enough to make it palatable isn't enough. You should always aim to eat it while it's still hot from its first cooking, and if you decide to let it cool then reheat it, make sure it's piping hot all the way through.

[matraveo]

mmmm...raspberry-cookiedough-spinich smoothie, im sure it would kill you but it would sure taste good   

[rc]

anything else anyone is paranoid about?

I remember seeing a show on TV about cooks spitting in food, etc...  I was paranoid for a bit, then I decided I don't care.

While at work it occurred to me that anyone could walk in, pretend to be the homeowner, steal a bunch of stuff and I might not even realize it.  I'd probably say hi to them, and bye as they leave.

On another theft note, somebody broke into my van again last night.  But didn't find anything they liked, HAHAH!  Last time the van got broke into they took a bunch of classical CD's I had in there (and about $2.64 spare change)...  I still wonder in the back of my head, the chance that some thief kid is hanging out in his moms basement enjoying the sweet sounds of Ashkenazy playing the slow movement of the Apassionata?

As for cookiedough, my favorite cookies are from Subway and they're practically dough.  Delicious.  Food doesn't scare me.  I've survived some pretty rotten stuff.  I could digest woodchips if I had to.  I can't remember which comedian said that kids should eat more dirt...

[pianistimo]

yes.  there are two kinds of mothers.  the ones who won't let their children chew bubble gum after it has fallen on the ground - and the ones that step on it and give it back to them.  same with binkys.  usually the first child - everything is boiled.  after that - you dip in some water.  who has time to boil everything?  although, i recommend it now again - because at that age, it's terrible to get strep throat.  when babies get it - they can't swallow very well and it's a pain. 

same with toothbrushes.  stick the heads in a cup of boiling water occasionally.  my son once got strep throat twice.  i think he reinfected himself with a toothbrush.  this was a few years ago.

anyways - back to being paranoid.  (just kidding)

i think you just take your chances on a lot of things when you go out to eat.  i prefer to eat in more than out now.  you can check how things are prepared that way.   try not to drink unfiltered water.

my kids tell me i'm like 'bobby bouche's mother' in waterboy.  i don't think so.  but, i do remember when my son first started driving praying for almost the entire time he was gone.  'please don't let him kill himself or someone else.'  and, he wasn't a bad driver.  finally he told me - just don't worry.  i still remind him to take the cell phone in case he has an accident.  now, i try to leave off the word accident. 

[lau]

oops, sorry I need to make a correction. The chances of an egg containing salmonella is 1 in 30,000 not 10,000...my mistake. Just 20,000 more reasons to eat cookie dough.

[rc]

It must be a parent thing - to worry so much.  I'll have to make a shirt that says "DON'T WORRY" to wear when I stop by to visit them...  I've started to preempt them before leaving "don't worry, I won't get hurt on my way home"

I can sort of understand...  As much as we all tend to take the 'it won't happen to me' attitude, but accidents happen.  Every so often I see a new memorial on the side of a road, and there's been a time or two that I've made a dumb mistake that could have been much worse.

Still, what does worry do?

[pianistimo]

worry is a job for mothers.  my dad and also my husband tend be 'whatever will happen will happen.'  moms try to be proactive.  you know - put on your coat (i'm always throwing coats out the door inthe morning).  otherwise - when something goes wrong...who's fault is it.  the mom's.

one thing i never could understand though, is a good friend of mine who has always let her children fall in the deep end of the pool and climb to the highest part of the climbing apparatus at the park.  sure, her kids have been in the emergency room.  but so have mine . about equal amount of times. 

[timothy42b]

What about Eierliquor?  and the whole range of German foods made from it?  I'm pretty sure that is raw egg yolks. 

Uh, oh.  Got to thinking.  Pianistimmo hasn't been lured into a religious debate in a long time, and the forum's getting kind of boring, so ..................

what about communion?  and the common cup?  In any average congregation there has to be at least one sick person on any given Sunday, do you think they pass their germs around for everybody to share? 

[rach n bach]

what about communion?  and the common cup?  In any average congregation there has to be at least one sick person on any given Sunday, do you think they pass their germs around for everybody to share? 

hehe.... well, a LOT of churches use individual plastic cups now...

RnB

[thalbergmad]

hehe.... well, a LOT of churches use individual plastic cups now...

RnB

And watered down wine.

[timothy42b]

And watered down wine.

Yes.  Particularly nonliturgical churches, like one I play for often.

It's like they feel they have to perform the sacrament, but they're embarassed to take it seriously.  I don't know why they bother to give it, when they go to so much trouble not to have it seem special.  There's no particular ceremony, they hand out those little cups of grape juice, everybody drinks, and it's over.