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Offline Chopins_Fantaisie

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What to do?
on: March 10, 2004, 08:33:29 PM
I have a 13 year old  girl student. At this age (as other females could possibly relate to), girls like the idea of growing their nails long and getting to feel "grown up" in that respect. However, if you're a girl taking piano lessons, your teacher is most likely firm about not allowing "claws". My problem: with my student, I've continually told and reminded her that she needs to keep her nails clipped and then given the reasons why it must be done. But weekly she comes to lesson without nails clipped and the answer "but I want to grow my nails out!".  ::) I'm getting tired of having to always repeat myself about this issue with this student... so much to the point that I've put a pair of nail clippers on the piano so when she comes for lesson next time, if nails aren't clipped, well, say goodbye to them now. Is that harsh?

Not only is the issue of nails the only problem... but because she keeps her nails long, her hand position is poor... and technique is poor. Plus, because she's played so quitely at each lesson (she "doesn't want to play loud") since she began 6 months ago, despite constant reminders of playing louder, well, I just see no effort being put into lessons and it's becoming a waste of my time to continue teaching this student.  But should I continue to be patient with her (I only have 2 more months to teach her, then she's gone for summer and not returning) or just send her on her merry way?
Music is my refuge. I could crawl into the spaces between the notes and curl my back to loneliness. - Maya Angelou

lallasvensson

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Re: What to do?
Reply #1 on: March 10, 2004, 10:04:28 PM
my teacher cut my nails directly.

lallasvensson

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Re: What to do?
Reply #2 on: March 10, 2004, 11:46:16 PM
excuse me but in your place i would have cut her nails also a long time ago.... how can you play the piano with long nails ???

Some posts in the forum are really more than weird... tell her to play with her feet, it will be as unpractical...

i am really worried about the level of the next pianists geenration when i see that kind of posts....

Offline bernhard

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Re: What to do?
Reply #3 on: March 11, 2004, 02:00:09 AM
Yes, I have faced this problem many times.

By all means sympathise and commiserate, but be firm: nails have to go.

I am a firm believer that if you have a well defined goal (in this case you have: get the nails short), and if you keep changing your behaviour, it is just a matter of time before you come across a behaviour that will elicit the results you want. The only problem is: do you have a large enough repertory of behaviours? The general philosophy is: if what you are doing is not working, do something else.

By all means, always be patient, but be ready to pretend to be impatient . You should have no limitations as far as your external behaviour is concerned, but on the inside you should always be calm and collected, otherwise you will not be able to determine the best course of action. I always try to approach difficult cases with detachment and great curiosity: What can I come up with that will give me the desired results? Negative emotions are bad advisers.

Here are some suggestions that you may try: (And remember that what works in one case may not work in another and vice-versa).

1.      Buy a set of false nails (really long ones), glue them to your own fingers and play like that for your student. You don’t need to say anything. She will get the message.

2.      Encourage her to paint her nails and decorate them in any way she wants as long as they are short (sometimes offering an acceptable option to both of you may work).

3.      Explain to her that nails are – biologically speaking – excreta just like faeces and urine. She wouldn’t go around with faeces hanging form her back, likewise she should clip her nails. Also explain to her the hygienic side: how much dirt and germs collect under long nails (The idea is to try to make long nails undesirable – while they are seen as desirable, she will not clip them).

4.      Get a book of bizarre photographs. Usually there are some photos showing people with the longest beards, the longest nails and so on. The one I have show this woman who never clipped the nails in her left hand. (She needs the use of her right hand). Her nails are weird callous excretions that twirl around in strange spirals. Discuss with her the pros and cons of such behaviour (pros: celebrity; inclusion in the Guinness book of records – cons: she needs to be extra careful not to break the nails, her whole life revolves around taking care of her nails, she can’t go out, her left hand pretty much lost the movement because the muscles atrophied).

5.      Find out what is it that makes her long nails so desirable. Show her alternative ways to obtain the same results.

6.      Buy a set of fake nails for her this time. Tell her she can have them and use them if she clips her real nails and don’t use the fake ones for practising/playing.

7.      Since she is leaving anyway let her do it her way. But don’t bother to give any instruction either. Make sure you explain it clearly to her: You have been given instructions. I am now waiting for you to follow the instructions. I cannot proceed unless you help me by following the instructions. Give her the scuba-diving analogy: You go to a scuba diving lesson. The boat is ready for you, the apparatus is ready for you, and the instructor is waiting. You were given the instruction to bring your swimming suit. If you turn up without a swimming suit, you cannot go scuba diving. So get a swimming suit. We are waiting.

8.       If you don’t need the money, send her her way. Make sure you explain clearly to her and to the parents why you are letting go of her: If she is not prepared to follow instructions she is not ready for piano tuition.

9.      State clearly in your policy (I do) that long nails are a definite no no. It may be to late for this one, but it may avoid the problem at the root with your next students.

10.      Yes, why not, if everything else fails, clip her nails by force. Here in the UK, however this may result in court proceedings he he ;D.

These are just a few possibilities out of the top of my head. You may be able to come up with different ones as you talk to her.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.
The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. (Hunter Thompson)

minsmusic

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Re: What to do?
Reply #4 on: March 11, 2004, 01:27:08 PM
What was it I said on another forum, Bernhard, you're a lousey comedian.  How wrong could I be!  I'm pretty impressed you could write such a long post over cutting nails1.  :D

I laughed aloud at suggestion 3.  That's pretty funny.

I was relieved when you clarified no.10.  Whew!  Yes, you can get in big trouble if you were to physically cut her nails yourself.  Its known as assault.

Anyway, to answer your question Chopins, no, I don't think that you're being harsh by having a set of clippers for her to use then and there.  And you're right, you can't play the piano with long nails.  Ask her what's more important, having long nails or playing the piano?  If she choses her nails, then you're left with no other option.  Tell her parents this.  I'm sorry, but your daughter would rather have long nails than learn the piano.
Yes, you will miss the income, but no doubt other students will come along.

With any luck, she'll make the correct decision and cut her nails, continue the lessons, and then grow them again for the summer (if she's leaving then anyway.)

Let us know what she decided!
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