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Offline sevencircles

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What is the earliest work you are awhare of with  time signatures like 5/4 and 7/4 or similar?

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Interesting topic.
For quintuple meter, Christopher Tye: In Nomine XXI: Trust for viol consort (mid-16th century) is entirely in 5/2, according to https://php.indiana.edu/~donbyrd/CMNExtremes.htm

Other than that, there's the third movement of Chopins first sonata. Dunno about septuple meter.
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What about chants?  They don't have a standard meter.  I'm not sure if that's what you were thinking of though.
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What about chants? They don't have a standard meter. I'm not sure if that's what you were thinking of though.

I meant in Western music in general and pianomusic in particular

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Re: Earliest work with odd time signatures (5 and 7 or similar)
Reply #4 on: June 01, 2007, 09:01:52 PM
Reicha's 36 fugues (forget the exact date but about the time Beethoven popped his clogs) include various off time signatures and all kinds of other zaniness, and most people, hearing them, will confidently guess a date of composition betwen 50 and 100 years after the time of their composition. STRONGLY RECOMMENDED REPERTOIRE!
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Re: Earliest work with odd time signatures (5 and 7 or similar)
Reply #5 on: June 02, 2007, 02:43:24 AM
I thought chants were western music, the beginning. 

I wonder if hemiola counts? 

Maybe someone who used folk music?  Bartok or Liszt?  (not sure on Liszt for odd meters though, but urban folk yes.) 
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Re: Earliest work with odd time signatures (5 and 7 or similar)
Reply #6 on: June 02, 2007, 12:59:15 PM
i know it's not the earliest example of it, but the allegro con grazia of tchaikovsky's pathetique symphony which is in 5/8 (i think) is pretty cool and quite radical for its time.

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Re: Earliest work with odd time signatures (5 and 7 or similar)
Reply #7 on: June 02, 2007, 02:55:41 PM
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Reicha's 36 fugues (forget the exact date but about the time Beethoven popped his clogs) include various off time signatures and all kinds of other zaniness, and most people, hearing them, will confidently guess a date of composition betwen 50 and 100 years after the time of their composition. STRONGLY RECOMMENDED REPERTOIRE!

Thank´s for the tip

Reicha is an underrated composer there is no question about that.

Fugue no. 12 sounds like it was composed in the 20:th century for instance
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