Did Hitler believe in Jesus.

[mephisto]

Churchill was probably the greatest Englishman that ever lived. He would turn in his grave if he saw the state of his Country now.

He is also responsible for the sufferings of millions today.

[counterpoint]

Churchill was a war criminal.

If you want to win a war you have to be a war criminal. If you loose a war you will be put on trail as one.

No it's not about winning or loosing - it's about attacking or defensing!

[prometheus]

How so?

[fiddes]

'History is in the eyes of the victor'

If Hitler had won the war we would be hailing him as a militery genius and our saviour and winston churchill as a war criminal

<<<< this is my first post so be nice 

[pianistimo]

but, everyone would know that winston churchill did not start the war - so hitler would be vicariously detested and would have been murdered from inside his own party.  that would have never happened to churchill.

[fiddes]

ahh you see, this is the problem with war

Julius Ceaser found in Gaul that although he was the conquer, after the first few attempted uprisings (unsuccsesful of course) the people would rather send the leaders of any revolts to him as traitors then to face the romans in battle again

As such history recoreded the 'winston churchils of Gaul as war criminals (well at least until rome fell apart)

and the trend continues all through history, the victor always writes the history books

[zheer]

Churchill was a war criminal.

  Yup, i truly belive that Hitler must be praised for one thing and one thing only, and that is the mass murder of the English. I truly love Hitler for that reason only.

[fiddes]

 Yup, i truly belive that Hitler must be praised for one thing and one thing only, and that is the mass murder of the English. I truly love Hitler for that reason only.

Here Here 100% agree bloody argumentative bunch

[pianistimo]

take any race and we still have the same blood.  why?  type A, type B,  type AB, and type 0 (positive or negative).  now, if we were all so different - why this?  is God trying to tell us something?

england may have been stuffy in the past - but on the whole - the english people i've met have been very kind and proper.  not wanting to embarrass or humiliate others.  and, generally treating people with respect.  what other culture has manners?

also, english riding is one of my favorite sports to watch.  far more than baseball or football.  for that reason only - i would spend a summer in england at the drop of a hat.

and, without the english - we'd never have had any churching.  king james.  the scofield bible.  these things would never have been.

[zheer]

england may have been stuffy in the past - but on the whole - the english people i've met have been very kind and proper. 

  Thats cuz your an American.

[fiddes]

you know im not quite sure, but the way i look it if god didnt want war he would have done 1 of 2 things

1: if god decided that his diciples got the wrong end of the stick either use a memeber of the same race to set them right (as opposed to using moses, a muslim, to preach the word of cristianity) or leave it alone

2: either leave out altogether or hold your hand up say i made a mistake and try to fix it. not create lots of religions and just say ahh sort it out yourself


This is why i come to the conclusion that god likes war

[fiddes]

pianistimo

where did you meet these englismen?? i am 100% english and have never met a kind and proper person my entire life (outside of my close family of course)

[zheer]

pianistimo

where did you meet these englismen?? i am 100% english and have never met a nice and proper person my entire life (outside of my close family of course)

 Thanks the ones that like the English, do so for the same reason as a dog remains faithfull to their owners.

[pianistimo]

well, although i pray - i don't have a direct answer on that right now.  as i see it - abraham was the father of issac and ishmael (jew and arab).  ishmael may not have inherited the same blessings - but it certainly didn't mean he was dismissed.  take any family - you can try as hard as you like - but there will always be a child that sticks closer to either the father or the mother. it's not that you try to be unfair - it's just that you have more in common with the personality of the child.  but, the love is always there.  always.

as i see it - God always made provision for both the arabs and the jews.  the arabs and jews both being a sort of wandering people and not always being representative of the most secure lands.  kind of accepting wherever they had to go - but wondering the whole time 'why the wandering?'  perhaps God made it that way for both to rely on Him more than the other races.  to actually walk in faith - 'tabernacling' so to speak - with God under the heavens.  also, the various wars and troubles in both jerusalem and palestine - speaks to the continued search for the same love from God for both races.  i think it will come at Jesus return.  remember that he said, 'the first shall be last.'  that's for everyone.  justice for everyone. 

[wishful thinker]

 Yup, i truly belive that Hitler must be praised for one thing and one thing only, and that is the mass murder of the English. I truly love Hitler for that reason only.

Well, excuse me   but aren't you a Kurd who has been given refuge in England?  Maybe there is somewhere else that will treat you better .............

[fiddes]

firstly wishful thinker - i beleive he was being sarcastic towards the winston churchil is a war criminal remark

secondly - do you reckon we will see the second coming this life time then as the war is reaching boiling point from what i can see and with the west intrusion on the east dont you reckon the time is right

[wishful thinker]

I think we are getting into very dangerous territory here.

I'm off home to practice 

[zheer]

Well, excuse me  but aren't you a Kurd who has been given refuge in England?  Maybe there is somewhere else that will treat you better .............

   Is that what you think. LOL, go * yourself.

[fiddes]

aologies for this zheer but language tut tut

[zheer]

I think we are getting into very dangerous territory here.

  I've heard it all before, I've had * like you come up to me all the time, noe go practice the piano like a *.

[fiddes]

zheer again language!! lol

[fiddes]

see what i mean pianistimo

zheer and wishful thinking have both shown again the problem with us brits (were too quick to temper) no offence zheer im totelly on your side her just think the swearing is a bit excessive

[pianistimo]

the frustration zheer has isn't at the british.  he has what we all have.  a feeling of alienation from what is happening.  a powerlessness.  unless you are in high areas of finance or government (and the government is more like 'who's got the money?') you are relatively powerless.  unless...unless there's someone that has MORe power.  maybe God?  there is a scripture that says 'if God is for you - who can be against you?'  no matter the racial slurs or difficult living.  elijah was living off of pieces of bread that ravens gave him and water from a creek for a while.  but, it was temporary.  and yet - each day he had enough to sustain him.  that might be us in a matter of years.  the world economy - plus the tensions in the middle east - war - famine - drought - disease - pestilence.  these are all signs of the 'four horsemen of the apocalypse.'  i don't think it's going to get better.  but should you rely soley on your government or on God.  i say God.  i've seen it happen before.  the unlikely.  the miracle.  the unusual 'just the right moment' happenings.  i belive God is extremely powerful.  enough to save.  otherwise, He wouldn't have bothered warning sodom and gommorah, the people of noah's time, jonah's ninevah, and revelations for today.  of course, it COULD happen in our lifetime.  it's been happening the last 3 years.  it's like being a frog in cool temp water to boiling.  you just don't feel the temperature changes until you're like 'what's happening?'

we'll know the start of the last 3 1/2 years because the two witnesses will be preaching to the world from jerusalem.  jerusalem will be divided and armies around it - just like the book of matthew says.  we will know when jesus is about to arrive because the two witnesses will be killed.  their bodies laying in the streets.  but, within three days - they'll be ressurrected and then we will also see divine miracles - such as the return of Jesus and great earthquakes and hail and things that don't normally happen (that happened at his death and ressurrection).  namely, the sun and moon being darkened.

it won't matter whose got the upper hand then.  it will be you and God.  that's the only relationship to worry about now.  and, we can always know that if God is for you - who can be against you?  but, we should always prepare spiritually and physically.  as i see it - joseph was given seven good years and then seven years of famine.  if you see it coming (and the farmland and production here in usa has been dwindling due to lack of rain and sometimes expense - gas/equipment/business) then you should make provision for your family and a few extra people.  keep extra water.  keep extra seeds (in case you have to grow some things).  learn about gardening indoors and outdoors. it seems to me with some of the hotter weather - that having one's own greenhouse could be nice - hydroponic gardening is cool because it uses recycled water and also provides a person with their own summer produce.  if you get really good at gardening - you can also can and/or freeze produce for use in the winter.  people are so used to buying at the store, they don't realize that if it all collapses - there won't be the ease of shopping as there is now.  and, it gives a person something to do rather than to say 'i can't do anything about the situation.'

i've been thinking lately for myself that it would be a good idea to do the cpr classes again and also take some kind of medical training.  if there is war or problems - the majority of people will die from lack of care.  also, to have supplies and/or be resourceful.  and also to know about survival tactics.  most people are so used to things being handed to them - that they wouldn't know how to survive without stuff for a few months to years.  i think we have to go back to old time books and learn from our ancestors (even though it seems less civilized).  at least we'd be aware of alternate methods of getting along.

[thalberg]

Let's get back to Hitler believing in Jesus.

I did a report on Hitler when I was 12, and the one thing I remember from plagiarizing that encyclopedia article is this:

Hitler was an altar boy in his youth, a very devoted Christian, and thought he would be a priest.  When he grew up, though, he despised Christianity and called it a religion for weaklings.

That excerpt from 'mein kampf' was interesting.....hadn't known Hitler thought that.  So sad.
I really dislike it that people perceive Christianity as an anti-semitic religion, and that some historically significant Christians were anti-semites.  I just hate that.  I'm a Christian, and I think Jews are great.

[zheer]

the frustration zheer has isn't at the british. 

  Frustration, LOL, i know plenty of people that dis-like the English/British , so much so that they would murder an English and not think about it twice. Luckly am not like that, i know when to stop.Had it not been for the piano, i is would be wonted for murder.Somethingz never change.

[thalbergmad]

  Frustration, LOL, i know plenty of people that dis-like the English/British , so much so that they would murder an English and not think about it twice.

Amazingly, i bet that a lot of them still live here, such is the tolerance of our Society.

I wonder what would happen to me if i claimed asylum in Iraq, built a church in Baghdad and then threatened to blow everyone up?. Would i be clothed, housed, given money and a laptop to help me support my claim?

Thal

[zheer]

I wonder what would happen to me if i claimed asylum in Iraq, built a church in Baghdad and then threatened to blow everyone up?. Would i be clothed, housed, given money and a laptop to help me support my claim?

Thal

  Thats not the English style, more like invade a country stay their for a hundred years, murder, inslave ,tourcher its people, drop bombs on them, just look at what the English had done to the Indians, Africans ,Kurds, Arabs ,Iraq, and so on, if one would stop long enogh to think about it one would go crazy.History repeats itself.

[thalbergmad]

  Thats not the English style, more like invade a country stay their for a hundred years, murder, inslave ,tourcher its people, drop bombs on them, just look at what the English had done to the Indians, Africans ,Kurds, Arabs ,Iraq, and so on, if one would stop long enogh to think about it one would go crazy.History repeats itself.

Completely true, the English have done some horrific things (please name me a Country that has not), but you seem to have mentioned only the negatives. However, for how much longer must we continue to pay the price for our actions?. Should we still be grovelling to the French for Agincourt?. Should we apologise to the Italians for the massacre at Chelmsford in 55BC?

Perhaps, if everyone went back to the Country of their grandfathers, it would be problem solved.

Interesting subject, perhaps a new thread is required.

Or perhaps not .

Thal

[zheer]

Perhaps, if everyone went back to the Country of their grandfathers, it would be problem solved.

  Well funy you should mention that, cuz a lot of Jewz, indians , sehk, english, christianz , turks,Arabs lived exactly where my grandfather once lived. They were all treated with rispect, under the otman empire, a kurdish empire.

[thalbergmad]

Perhaps then we need another Ottoman Empire, where East can meet West in peace and have a few beers.

Thal

[arensky]

Churchill was probably the greatest Englishman that ever lived.

 

Elizabeth I, Shakespeare, Fielding, Dickens, Mary Shelley, Milton, Newton, Faraday, Crick, Rosalind Franklin, Brunel, Blackstone, Turner, Hogarth, Purcell, Elgar...

[thalbergmad]

Elizabeth I, Shakespeare, Fielding, Dickens, Mary Shelley, Milton, Newton, Faraday, Crick, Rosalind Franklin, Brunel, Blackstone, Turner, Hogarth, Purcell, Elgar...

Indeed, this once great Country has had many great people, but Churchill was the greatest and indeed was voted so by the British people.

He stopped this great little Island being infested by foreign undesirables and associated pond life, which regretfully the current government has allowed.

Thanks to Bliar the greatest danger is now within and the deportation rate is entirely insufficient to deal with it.

Thal

[zheer]

He stopped this great little Island being infested by foreign undesirables and associated pond life, which regretfully the current government has allowed.

   True, England is full of scumbags, as a kurd i also believe that the vast majority of Kurds are also scumbags.

[thalbergmad]

Zheer - we must meet up for a few beers and discuss.

Although i am English scum, i feel compelled to meet you.

Thal

[zheer]

Zheer - we must meet up for a few beers and discuss.

Thal

  LOL, bad idea, my drinking dayz are over. Your honest thats for sure, like i said a few thread back ,you remind me of one of my friends, good friend.

[thalbergmad]

I is touched by that.

Thal

[prometheus]

Zheer, you are English. Ha!


Would "You are Enlgish" mean something different as compared to "You are British."?

[thalbergmad]

Would "You are Enlgish" mean something different as compared to "You are British."?

Huge difference

[zheer]

Would "You are Enlgish" mean something different as compared to "You are British."?

   British-ness is a nationality, where-as English-ness is an ethnicity.

[ahinton]

also, english riding is one of my favorite sports to watch.  far more than baseball or football.  for that reason only - i would spend a summer in england at the drop of a hat.

Not to go to a recital by Jonathan Powell, then?

and, without the english - we'd never have had any churching.  king james.  the scofield bible.  these things would never have been.

Makes one proud to be Scots (as long as one casts on one side the one-time rampant presbyterianism wherewith my country was rife)...

Best,

Alistair