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Offline pianowolfi

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Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
on: June 15, 2007, 11:38:08 AM
People imo it sucks. But duel is duel and deadline is deadline.

Best  :P :)

Wolfi
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #1 on: June 15, 2007, 03:12:57 PM
Agreed, Wolfi- a duel is a duel.  :)

Phil

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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #2 on: June 15, 2007, 03:29:58 PM
I have listend but i won't comment, for I am a participant. Seems as we are in a duel on post count as well lol ;D
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #3 on: June 15, 2007, 03:33:33 PM
i will listen to the two if you want and give my opinion . also... opus10no2 i hope you have stuck to our deal and are learning op. 10 no 2 for august 1st!!!!!!!
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #4 on: June 15, 2007, 03:35:55 PM
Quote from: pianowolfi on June 15, 2007, 03:29:58 PM
I have listend but i won't comment, for I am a participant. Seems as we are in a duel on post count as well lol ;D

So it seems.  8)

I have listened as well, and will wait to comment on it w/ you in private, after the duel.

Phil
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #5 on: June 15, 2007, 03:39:24 PM
i have listened to the two... and its very very close



but if i had to go with one, it would be phil. sorry piano wolfi! this is just personal taste.

however i like pianowolfi's ending more.

but its a bloody hard piece to learn quickly so hats off to both
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #6 on: June 15, 2007, 04:20:07 PM
I think you've both done very well, I'd never be able to learn that piece so quickly, if I could learn it at all.

Maybe it's just me, but I felt both recordings could've been more dramatic, even though I liked many of the things PianoWolfi did with regards to dynamics. At 1:31 in his rec, phil13 seems to get close to the sound that I think the piece should have, the bass ringing as huge bells with as much agitation as possible in the right hand.

To sum up, I'd like to hear both the recordings with a more powerful and dramatic interpretation, although I suppose that could be said to be a matter of interpretation. I don't feel quite qualified to pick a winner, but congratulations to both of you for doing a good job, especially with the time frame in mind
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #7 on: June 15, 2007, 05:28:35 PM
I agree completaly with Rallestar.
It's very close, and you both didn't perfect the piece yet. When I really have to vote my vote goes to Phil.

But congratulations to both, I really appreciate that finally people reΰly compete with each other.
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #8 on: June 15, 2007, 09:06:39 PM
this is such an amazing piece!! i think you should both polish it.  there are orgasmic chords a plenty.

seriously take my hat off to both of you for finishing in time. i think this might be the first one thats actually been carried out??
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #9 on: June 15, 2007, 09:18:54 PM
I do believe you are right about this being the first one.

Wolfi, didn't you have another duel that was to be carried out today too?

Phil
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #10 on: June 15, 2007, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: phil13 on June 15, 2007, 09:18:54 PM
I do believe you are right about this being the first one.

Wolfi, didn't you have another duel that was to be carried out today too?

Phil

Yeah it's Mozart Fantasy c-minor with imbetter, but he asked me if we could do it tomorrow :P and today I was anyway very busy and nervous because I did a live performance of my composition "Styx" for the local Chopin Society meeting.

So far thank you all for your comments :)

It's interesting and it's fun actually :) 8)

And phil, what piano do you play on? I think your bass is much better than mine. >:( ;D
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #11 on: June 15, 2007, 10:06:06 PM
fancy recording your compo and posting it here? i for one would be interested. youve both inspired me to learn the rach prelude, amazing
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #12 on: June 15, 2007, 10:42:45 PM
phil. although its very close. you both are on good way.
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #13 on: June 15, 2007, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: elevateme_returns on June 15, 2007, 10:06:06 PM
fancy recording your compo and posting it here? i for one would be interested. youve both inspired me to learn the rach prelude, amazing

thanks :) yeah I will keep it up: As for "Styx", you can find the original improvisation here

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,23332.msg259468.html#msg259468

but I play it a bit differently now, the last section for instance I play much faster. I'll post a rec soon, the one of today has too much reverb, because the performance took place in a church :P

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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #14 on: June 16, 2007, 04:42:11 PM
It's very close, indeed.

I feel that Wolfi's is cleaner, but I have to go with Phil's. I love his range of dynamics and personally feel much more of an emotional response from his rec than Wolfi's.

BEAUTIFUL playing though- both of you!!! You guys are going to own me in the mazurka duel.  :-\
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #15 on: June 17, 2007, 12:31:26 AM
pianowolfi , the rec quality is really playing against you..


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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #16 on: June 17, 2007, 05:29:16 AM
Quote from: JP on June 17, 2007, 12:31:26 AM
pianowolfi , the rec quality is really playing against you..




Well. most of my recs here are recorded with minidisc. Any more specific comments, recommendations? :)
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #17 on: June 18, 2007, 11:56:41 AM
I feel you played as good as Phil, but your recording lacked presence.

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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #18 on: June 19, 2007, 03:57:54 PM
So...does this mean I win?  ???

How exactly do we judge this? And for how long?

Phil
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #19 on: June 19, 2007, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: phil13 on June 19, 2007, 03:57:54 PM
So...does this mean I win?  ???

How exactly do we judge this? And for how long?

Phil

I added a poll above. :) go and vote, people!
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #20 on: June 23, 2007, 03:37:46 PM
*bump*

Phil
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #21 on: June 23, 2007, 05:36:15 PM
Good work, both of you! You are both stretched at moments and there are clinkers but you both played this well. Wolfi is cleaner, phil13 is more tempermental and forceful in the appropriate places, such as the ending. Kudos to both of you.  8)

It's a draw, imo.
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #22 on: June 23, 2007, 05:50:56 PM
Very good, both of you.    :)

This is a hard one to decide.  Pianowolifi wins technically; there is more contrast with Phil and he draws us in emotionally.

These duels are fun.
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #23 on: June 26, 2007, 10:01:31 PM
Quote from: pianowolfi on June 17, 2007, 05:29:16 AM
Well. most of my recs here are recorded with minidisc. Any more specific comments, recommendations? :)


Broader spectrum mics..

BTW from what I can tell, you're piano sounds pretty cool.
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #24 on: June 26, 2007, 11:39:53 PM
I listened to both of them. 

I agree with most people that it is very close.  You both have command of the piece and are expressive.  Phil's rec is clearer (rec quality -- it sounds a bit muddy in places tho), while wolfi's is a bit cleaner.  I think Phil's is freer and has a bit more character.  I would call this a draw, but if I had to choose one winner, I would go with Phil.  Great job both!

Josh  8)
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #25 on: June 27, 2007, 08:03:11 PM
Good job both of you.  Inspiring.

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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #26 on: June 27, 2007, 08:59:29 PM
Can I join in this Rach 23/7 duel? even though my rendition lacks the brilliance your's does.

Anyway, congrats to you both for learning this annoyingly difficult piece and playing it well.

I love the sonorities you guys bring out in this piece. 

Phil's was wilder, which is good, but wolfi was definitely cleaner.  I'd say its a tie.

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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #27 on: June 27, 2007, 09:10:01 PM
Quote from: verywellmister on June 27, 2007, 08:59:29 PM
Can I join in this Rach 23/7 duel?


Welcome :) From my side, go for it! Thanks for posting in :)
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #28 on: June 27, 2007, 09:13:59 PM
Quote from: pianowolfi on June 27, 2007, 09:10:01 PM
Welcome :) From my side, go for it! Thanks for posting in :)

yay

now I just need to know how to put up a recording (stupid question I know).

any help please?

i have an old recording of myself playing the Rach on a CD that uses Windows Media Player.  How do I upload that?
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Re: Duel with phil13: Rach prelude op.23,7
Reply #29 on: June 27, 2007, 09:22:53 PM
Download cdex

https://cdexos.sourceforge.net/?q=download

extract an mp3 file and post it using "additional options" "attach"
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