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Any advice for Chopin Nocturne op.9, no.2 ? (Read 7612 times)

Offline drooxy

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Any advice for Chopin Nocturne op.9, no.2 ?
« on: March 17, 2004, 01:11:10 PM »
Hi everyone !

The subject is clear enough I think !!

And also, more generally, is there any technic, trick, ... to master these repeated left hand leaps (like "Fundamental"/Chord - "Fundamental"/Chord - etc.) that are very often encountered in Chopin works (but also in ragtime style, etc.).

I am looking for advices to improve their playing but also to avoid to get suddenly lost in the middle of them like it happens quite often to me... especially when I have a 'public' !  :'(

Some questions come to my mind, like should I avoid looking at my left hand ? ...

Thanks very much for any help here !

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Offline lani

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Re: Any advice for Chopin Nocturne op.9, no.2 ?
«Reply #1 on: March 17, 2004, 04:52:45 PM »
Hello-my daughter is playing this piece right now also, so she will be interested in reading the replies for this post. She has built up her practice of  this slowly, as well as doing some Chopin Waltzes to get a feel for the style of Chopin pieces.  It's a beautiful piece though, and she loves it.  For her, working out the trills in unexpected areas are fun. I'm sure with time and practice anything can be accomplished! Regards, Lani

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Re: Any advice for Chopin Nocturne op.9, no.2 ?
«Reply #2 on: March 18, 2004, 01:44:43 AM »
The piece, I'd say, is the hardest after you have learned it.  I say this because I know the frustration of having gone through all the notes, memorized it, and then forgotten it all.  When you finally get through the piece, make sure you play it often, or you will forget.  With Chopin's nocturnes, I've noticed, it is abnormally easy to forget...
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Re: Any advice for Chopin Nocturne op.9, no.2 ?
«Reply #3 on: March 19, 2004, 05:06:04 AM »
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 With Chopin's nocturnes, I've noticed, it is abnormally easy to forget...


I think thats because they dont really follow any patteren, you never know whats going to happen next,
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Offline drooxy

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Re: Any advice for Chopin Nocturne op.9, no.2 ?
«Reply #4 on: March 22, 2004, 10:56:34 PM »
All Chopin,

When you say that you went "through all the notes and memorized them" what do you mean exactly ? Do you follow a method to do that ?

What I find the more complex is to have an accurate left hand with no hesitation or sudden and random "black holes". I try in that piece (after having identified the reapeating LH sequences):

. to use the fingering pattern 5/52/421 as often as
 possible (to me, it brings even more confusion if you
 multiply the number of different fingerings...). Note
 that the finger 2 press twice the same key playing a
 kind of role of pivot... don't get me wrong: I do no
 compromise with what the genious wrote !! but so far,
 I have only one chord that I cannot play with 52 and
 that I play with 51 (GF measure 3)...  

. memorize the quality of chords that are played
 (progression)

. memorize the single key that is played by the finger 5  
 and  then the first key of the first chord that is played
 by that same finger (to help here I play sometimes
 only the 5/52 sequence, skipping the 421 chord)

. for the 421 chord I more or less successfuly rely on
 eyes, ears and hand memory...

I currently work on the first LH sequence (first four measures) very slowly (60) and I play the right hand over it from time to time. I also work on difficult RH passages of the four next measures to anticipate (also I do my best to avoid to look at my right hand so that my eyes can focus on the left one...)

Now I have no idea wether that is a consistent - and above all an efficient - method or not but at least it seems a little organized to me  :)

Would it be valuable, in addition to that, to try to write the trebble key staff from memory, to memorize all chords in their root, 1st, 2nd... inversions, or to do any other exercise that you would suggest ?...

Don't know what the result of all that is gonna be but I would like so much to be able to play - as well as I possibly can - that wonderful piece !!

We had a fantastic poet/composer/interpret/etc. here in France - actually he was coming from Belgium and his name was Jacques Brel - who used to say "I am certain that talent does not exist ! What exists is the willing to do something ! The rest is a matter of riguor and sweat !".

God ! I want to do it, I try to be rigorous and I swear that I do sweat... but I still have no talent !  :'(

So if someone can bring his stone - or throw it to me because I am completely wrong - I would really appreciate !

Thanks to all in advance !
Drooxy
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Offline ikako

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Re: Any advice for Chopin Nocturne op.9, no.2 ?
«Reply #5 on: December 15, 2014, 06:40:28 AM »
Chopin advocated that in this particular nocturne, the left hand should be practiced alone by itself, without any change to the timing. He even urged his pupils to practice the bass part with both hands (since in this case, you do not have to jump around two play the base beat notes and successive chords), thus the idea of legato in the left hand is more understandable and you would have the picture of what you are trying to achieve. Some of Chopins’s pupils suggest that he wanted the left hand part to resemble the chorus of guitars playing. This is quite understandable, since the nocturne is very melancholic, like a night serenade.


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Re: Any advice for Chopin Nocturne op.9, no.2 ?
«Reply #6 on: December 15, 2014, 06:41:41 AM »
PM me if you have any further questions. I will be eager to help.

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Re: Any advice for Chopin Nocturne op.9, no.2 ?
«Reply #7 on: December 15, 2014, 07:34:55 AM »
PM me if you have any further questions. I will be eager to help.

A bit too eager. The original post was TEN YEARS ago. One suspects the OP has either got it by now or given up interest.
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