soliloguy...

[maxreger]

-would you mind sending me the scores I asked for now that I linked you to the music I promised?

Ive been waiting for 2 days, and youve posted plenty... have you gotten the links to the music? I sent you 2 pieces, 45+ minutes as I said I would.

Much thanks.

[retrouvailles]

Fyi, Soliloquy isn't very good about fulfilling requests. I'm still waiting for the sheetmusic that he owes me (I've had what I owe him ready for months). Don't count on ever getting what you asked for.

[maxreger]

-does that mean he maybe doesnt have them?

Im confused, I mean, he has them on PDF... why not give them up if people trade?

Anyway, I asked for the Barrett (tracts), which I cant find, and also, synaphai (which is no longer available from the publisher).

I sent him 2 works by Almeida Prado in return... (very very rare). I dont mind giving up my share, only, I wish I would get something back. And being that all he has to do is send a PDF file... I would think its easy. Im not asking him to scan anything I dont believe.

Anyway, what did you ask for? Maybe I have it?

[pita bread]

Consider that maybe he doesn't even have the scores.

[maxreger]

I dont see why someone would lie about that, lol... but, I hold out hope that he will send me what I asked for.

As I sent him something.

[soliloquy]

Almeida  Prado would be the most recognized brasilian composer today IMO.

His "celestial charts" 1-14 (thats about 6 hours of music alltogether) place him as probably the most important composer in brasil that is not folk influenced like villa lobos and guarnieri.

I would send you Celestial Chart 1 (out of print, non existant recording, you cant find THIS version anywhere else, as the pianist is a brasilian monster player that no one knows)... I have two versions of the 1st chart... the one WITH fernando lopez (this super player), and another by another pianist that is not even CLOSE in capturing the idea of the piece (its good, its just not trancendental.)

That 1st chart is 20+ minutes.

I would send you the first 2 for those scores if you are interested.

The recordings I have were made for the composer, meaning, they are not on the market anymore.

Kampela is not even close, he is not recognized in brasil the way Almeida Prado is, they have festivals of just his music, comissions for him every year for important events, etc.

The Charts I think you will like, he later turned to some neo romantic tendencies, I know you will not like every work. But, the charts, or most of them, have some concepts that make it sound unique in the repetoire... and every constelation has its own signature chord...

You sent me this PM.  Then the very next thing you sent that crap before I even responded which I haven't even downloaded.  I am not interested in, nor have I ever EXPRESSED interest in, the stuff you sent me.  I'm most-likely the only person who you can get the scores you requested from (ryguillian doesn't have the full synaphai even) so I would want something I am actually interested in having.  He has the Barrett; see if HE wants the prado.  Also, as "Retrouvailles" said, I owe him (along with a couple other people) sheet music first and foremost, and I'm extremely busy when I'm at the computer, so I don't want to take the effort of scanning the complete Xenakis Piano Concerto for you when you're not offering something I'm interested in.  Ask Powell or Alistair if THEY have some free time.  And making some public ordeal out of this is asinine.

Now, if you have something that I REALLY want, I'll scan the Synaphai, although be warned I cut it up and doctored it for practicing purposes (the whole piano part is there though).

Right now I need sheets of:

Boulez Troisieme sonate 4th movement (retracted) [most important, although NONE of my contacts have this]
Bussotti Rara Requiem (study or full)
Cage complete "Music for Piano"
Cattaneo Klangregie
Cattaneo Xenia
Finnissy Piano Concerto Nos. 1 and 5
Morilla Cuarta Sonata
Nordschow Piano Piece (1995)
Rihm Zwiesprache
Rzewski Four Pieces
Rzewski Poem
Scelsi Suite No. 6
Shchedrin Tschastuschki
Shchedrin Sonata No. 1
Shchedrin 25 Preludes for Piano
Shchedrin 24 Prelude and Fugues
Shchedrin Poem
Shchedrin Basso Ostinato (solo version)
Sorabji Tantrik Symphony
L. Verdi Frammenti
L. Verdi Dettagli
Yoffe Sonata Recircata

[ahinton]

Ask Powell or Alistair if THEY have some free time.
...
Right now I need sheets of:
...
Sorabji Tantrik Symphony

Well, you did suggest that someone else ask me if I "have some free time" so, without getting involved in commenting on any of that exchange, you might yourself like to ask me if I have the free time to make you a copy of this work although, since I don't scan and upload, that copy may well not be in a format (and still less at a price) in which you would care to have it. As a matter of fact, I have to make two copies of it for other purchasers later today, so i could always turn the copier to 3 if you really wanted to proceed...

As to Jonathan Powell, one has only to look at his repertoire and recognise that he is a composer and writer on music as well as a pianist to conclude that the amount of "free time" that he has is probably severely limited...

Best,

Alistair

[mephisto]

Boulez Troisieme sonate 4th movement (retracted) [most important, although NONE of my contacts have this]
Bussotti Rara Requiem (study or full)
Cage complete "Music for Piano"
Cattaneo Klangregie
Cattaneo Xenia
Finnissy Piano Concerto Nos. 1 and 5
Morilla Cuarta Sonata
Nordschow Piano Piece (1995)
Rihm Zwiesprache
Rzewski Four Pieces
Rzewski Poem
Scelsi Suite No. 6
Shchedrin Tschastuschki
Shchedrin Sonata No. 1
Shchedrin 25 Preludes for Piano
Shchedrin 24 Prelude and Fugues
Shchedrin Poem
Shchedrin Basso Ostinato (solo version)
Sorabji Tantrik Symphony
L. Verdi Frammenti
L. Verdi Dettagli
Yoffe Sonata Recircata

Many of these are easy to find online in pdf format. Altough I do belive most of them are copyrighted.

[ahinton]

Many of these are easy to find online in pdf format. Altough I do belive most of them are copyrighted.

I'm almost 100% certain that all of them are copyrighted, actually...

Best,

Alistair

[maxreger]

HAHAHHA.... I love this guy,

-He doesnt have "free time" but posts 100 paragraph essays on piano street 3-5 times a day.

-He says he has all kinds of rare scores, and everytime you try to trade anything with him, everything is mysteriously missing, not scanned, lost, un-reachable... of course its because he is "too busy", "working on important things", "getting dire needs out of the way" etc.

The so called "music lover of 20th century music and/or modern music" has no interest in getting 1 hour of new music by a composer he should know and doesnt. Fair enough! I sent him the music, and he is "too busy" to download the link and listen (must be all those precious hours preparing his works and music related papers on 20th century music and the advancement of theoretical principles.)

You are great man, Its really awesome...your attitude, you make people think you really care about something (this whole forum), then you always act like a total ass to everyone who likes the same things you like. Everyone hates you, and hates modern music more and more because of you (something I think is a disaster), you get into a million fights on here every month and every other week you alienate 10-20 people to the music you think you care so much about (that isnt the case with me of course). On top of everything else, you always make claims that you cannot/will not/ and have not backed up in any meaningful way.

You are not even a half assed intellectual, much less a full on one. You like to come on this forum and make huge posts and impress 3 guys who cant see that you are nothing more then a guy who reads alot of wikipedia... the music you claim to love? I think you just love hearing the sound of your own voice talking about "cluster ostinatti, and poly-tonal polyphony, and bla bla bla"... its wonderful.

I actually just sent you the file, because I knew you would be a pain to get to send your side of the bargain, so I thought "well, maybe he will send faster if he allready has his side of the music and doesnt think I will back off." But, this scenario where you send nothing and then claim you never wanted the new music was a good bet as well, I actually mentioned to someone after I sent you the files that you were likely never going to respond (after 5 days, I decided to post an actual thread). Anyway, it took me no effort to upload that for you, and I didnt waste "important, key, golden" time like you refuse to do (after all, you have to have somethign on PDF I want, why not just ask?).

Anyway, Im sure your precious time involves you having your music played around 3 continents, radio shows with your music on it, and sending parts for recordings in foreign countries.

....

oh wait, thats my time. Yet, I find some to post here (1-2 posts a day), ask some PM questions to some members, defend some music I like. I know its not 10 posts a day, all over 2000 words... but not everyone has as much free time as you (ooops, I mean, not everyone is so busy).

....

Sit back, watch him correct my grammar and yell that:

a) Im a liar.
b) I cannot properly construct sentences in english. (with some great tips on essay structure and syntax)
c) He is indeed very busy, but cannot go into details about his actvities (CIA maybe???)
d) That he would respond more, but that his work calls on him, and he must turn in his 8 hour, 15 fugue, 27 poly-tonal canon, triple prepared piano concerto (for piano solo of course) needs to be revised. And that he must sign off on all kinds of contracts because he doesnt know if he wants pollini or takahashi to play the solo part (in the end, he will probably play himself, after all, he can play alot of Xenakis by what I hear from friends of friends of friends of his cats, cousins second owner.)

This will be my longest post here ever, lol, and with that... I am gone. Good day gentlemen... good day to you to soliloguy... what a proper name... as its mostly you talking about yourself, to yourself, by yourself.

*please, since there was no spellcheck, I know you will do a  good job, leave a paypal number... I will send you for the troubles of having to edit my writting.* 

[maxreger]

"-Now, if you have something that I REALLY want, I'll scan the Synaphai, although be warned I cut it up and doctored it for practicing purposes (the whole piano part is there though)."

No thanks, after you took so long, I went down to the music library here in Sao Paulo... just made a copy of the score for myself. No need for synaphai thanks.

I also am waiting as all the Xenakis Harpsichord music gets here (all bought) from the UK, you are not the only one who can get things. Soon, you will have no one to trade with... as people will have what you have plus more. (I know you download almost all your scores, Im sure you dont buy anything... people like you are too cheap.) So, in that sense, whatever you do have is out there anyway.

Hope you can take 2 minutes from your busy day to read these posts. Dont want that woodwind quintet with 15 minutes of microtonal pitch bends and multiphonics to suffer!

[cherub_rocker1979]

I love your sarcasm max!

[soliloquy]

HAHAHHA.... I love this guy,

-He doesnt have "free time" but posts 100 paragraph essays on piano street 3-5 times a day.

Name:     soliloquy
Posts:    913 (1.951 per day)
Position:    PS Silver Member
Date Registered:    March 16, 2006, 04:45:02 AM

I decided to be an ass and download the stuff you sent me; it's ferociously boring.

[elevateme_returns]

he's right though, modern music is bollocks.

and 2 posts per day is a lot considering you joined over a year ago. i only joined in march so my high count is reasonable.

[ahinton]

he's right though, modern music is bollocks.

Thank you so very much for that unequivocal vote of confidence; I'll try to remember it always...

Best,

Alistair

[maxreger]

I think modern music is great, its my favorite... I was not making a point in regards to that.

elevateme_returns is another tool on here, always trying to knock everything he doesnt like, yet... we get to hear how he can play scarbo every other post he makes. Great, another pianist that can play scarbo, thats what we needed. Thanks for your efforts at trying to sound amazing, but I can get that from 100 pianists down at the local half assed conservatory.

There are only 3-4 people on this board so far that I have seen, that are trying SOMETHING different in their music, playing etc. Yet, we get to hear almost the whole piano forum say bad things about Liszt, Xenakis, Mozart, etc, etc, etc.

Im sick of this place, I wish those who deserve it "good luck in life and music", to the others... I dont need to wish anything, soliloguy will be a walking wikipedia of information he will have no ability to use other then to impress 1 guy or another in piano forum.

ElevatorMusic_returns... will be another frustrated pianist by the time he is 20, when he realizes no one gives two craps that he can play something that we can buy 100,000 versions of (and superior at that)...

The point being, talent and knowledge dont mean crap... if you are too immature or too stupid to use it.

See you guys.

ps- soliloguy, I dont much care if you liked or didnt like the pieces I sent you. What you think/do/care for, it means very little to me.

Anyway, I will check up on these boards every few weeks, and marvel at the great fights between soliloguy and elevateme_returns, and the insights that come with so much stupidity.

ps2- Scarbo is great, Im not saying something negative of Ravel, my point should be obvious though. Too much arrogance from 2 people, who should maybe be a bit more humble.

Later

[soliloquy]

I'll try to keep my post short, so as not to bore you with a "100 paragraph essay", because apparently it would be futile to try to impress you

if you are too immature to use it.

You must be pretty useless.  Didn't know not giving you something you wanted but I never said I'd give you would make you cry so much   Do you need a hug? 


Ps- Elevateme_returns and I are just ignoring eachother from now on (the mature thing to do) so I don't think you'll have any reason at ALL to come back!  What a shame...

[elevateme_returns]

oh yeah, john cage 3 minutes or whatever silence, great music. really touches me deep down.

[indutrial]

HHAHAHA....what a riot this thread has become.

Max, I have to agree with your assessment of these two veteran b.s.ers.

Elevate, I recall reading a thread a while ago with you puling and whining like a stupid highschooler about how Bach, Brahms, and Beethoven were such geniuses and that modern music is crap. You shouldn't be wasting time arguing when you could be working on building your time machine and starching your powdered wig, because you really need to get lost with that crapola.

Soliloquy, I think you are a smug, annoying quack who offers nothing save the finest pretension and the most high-minded namedropping of anyone on this forum. Yet it doesn't ever seem to get too far beyond the composers' names and the titles of their pieces. For someone (apparently) under 25, you certainly pretend to more esoteric knowledge than the entire department of composition and performance professors working at Princeton, yet nothing ever comes of it; no recordings, no essays, no nothing. I mistakenly took your word for it once and tried to ask you about the Opus Archimagicum, a piece that's not been typeset, performed, or recorded yet somehow you said was one of your favorite pieces of Sorabji's. I'm pretty certain when I guess that you didn't fork over the chunk of change necessary to buy that from Alastair. Have you ever even seen that music?!? Getting back to me taking the bait, I asked you about that via a PM and you never responded to me. Considering your longevity here on the forum with your current name and your previous one, you've not been that busy.

Max, you might be somewhat on the money with your explosion up above, but you're probably as guilty as I am of harboring idealism on this forum. Even the best threads seem to turn into childish piefights here and there's almost no hope whatsoever that you'll actually learn something. I prefer the all-business approach people use on Gamingforce, where people seem to keep a positive vibe rolling along.

Alastair's are the only opinions I actually look forward to on this site. I'm sometimes amazed he has the patience to deal with all the piano brats and losers who inhabit this cold sore of a forum.

[mephisto]

I think John Cage's 4.33 is a GREAT piece. I am not kidding.

[indutrial]

I think John Cage's 4.33 is a GREAT piece. I am not kidding.

Someone had to think of that kind of piece eventually. Figures it would be someone like Cage. I hold no disrespect for him putting that out as a composition, but I'd say the hype and hoopla surrounding it are a little silly sometimes. I don't appreciate its status as a piece of popularized avantgarde like Jackson Pollack's visual art.

[maxreger]

-industrial... you sir, are a genius. Well said.

Anyway, its been fun.

Max

[Mozartian]

You are not even a half assed intellectual, much less a full on one.

Quoted for CG.

[pita bread]

Is it me, or has no one else noticed that maxreger spelled "soliloquy" as "soliloguy"?

[retrouvailles]

Is it me, or has no one else noticed that maxreger spelled "soliloquy" as "soliloguy"?

No, it's you. I noticed, but didn't bother mentioning it. Has anyone else noticed the irony of that typo?

[maxreger]

No, it's you. I noticed, but didn't bother mentioning it. Has anyone else noticed the irony of that typo?

-someone gets it

[soliloquy]

Soliloquy, I think you are a smug, annoying quack who offers nothing save the finest pretension and the most high-minded namedropping of anyone on this forum. Yet it doesn't ever seem to get too far beyond the composers' names and the titles of their pieces. For someone (apparently) under 25, you certainly pretend to more esoteric knowledge than the entire department of composition and performance professors working at Princeton, yet nothing ever comes of it; no recordings, no essays, no nothing. I mistakenly took your word for it once and tried to ask you about the Opus Archimagicum, a piece that's not been typeset, performed, or recorded yet somehow you said was one of your favorite pieces of Sorabji's. I'm pretty certain when I guess that you didn't fork over the chunk of change necessary to buy that from Alastair. Have you ever even seen that music?!? Getting back to me taking the bait, I asked you about that via a PM and you never responded to me. Considering your longevity here on the forum with your current name and your previous one, you've not been that busy.

What are you talking about.  Could you please cite specific examples where I apparently only know superficial knowledge about something?  Also, I am looking at my inbox and there is no PM from you; I assume it would have been sent to I Love Xenakis, as that is the account I spoke of Opus Archimagicum on, and hilariously, I haven't used that account since before you were a member.  So if you even did send a message, you probably sent it to a closed account.  Good one, you savvy, hyperintellectual you.

Come on now, between you and Max, who apparently feel the same way, please cite a specific example of when I was unable to produce important information when asked, when before I was only capable of supplying superficial info.

No, it's you. I noticed, but didn't bother mentioning it. Has anyone else noticed the irony of that typo?

I don't get it ----------; explain it to me

[retrouvailles]

I don't get it --------; explain it to me

Well, your vision obviously needs checking.You can clearly see that my username is re-trou-vailles.

And gimme mah sheets, foo.

[soliloquy]

Well, your vision obviously needs checking.You can clearly see that my username is re-trou-vailles.

And gimme mah sheets, foo.

I can't; I don't owe sheet music to a "retrouvailles".  I do, however, owe sheet music to a -------.  Too bad you're not him

[retrouvailles]

Whatever suits you.

[soliloquy]

Whatever suits you.

This doesn't suit me; it apparently suits you.


Will everyone look at all these fights I'm starting!  Oh wait, it's other people starting fights with me.  Let's keep that in mind as we assuredly continue with this pointless time-waster of a thread

[retrouvailles]

You basically just don't want to keep your deals with people. They hold up their parts, while you don't hold up yours.

[soliloquy]

You basically just don't want to keep your deals with people. They hold up their parts, while you don't hold up yours.

I had zero part in a deal with max.  But if it makes Max feel bad, I'll send you YOUR sheets, "retrouvailles".

[retrouvailles]

And I still have your sheets for you. If I get what you owe me, you'll get what I owe you. Btw, hows I take it your internet works fine now. You seem to be posting these messages quickly enough.

[soliloquy]

And I still have your sheets for you. If I get what you owe me, you'll get what I owe you. Btw, hows I take it your internet works fine now. You seem to be posting these messages quickly enough.

True, but I haven't been on AIM in a jillion years so I haven't had you nagging (IE reminding my lazy ass) to upload them XP


Oh hey, follow suit of my post edits if you want.

[retrouvailles]

Well, get on AIM so I can nag you!

[maxreger]

-have a good day soliloquy...

We dont need to go into details, you are indeed a name dropper. Outside of never having anything to say beyond composers names, titles of pieces and maybe going as far as saying what ensemble its for, I have never seen you provide ANY kind of "essay" (being that you write alot to say very little) on any of the works mentioned. Nothing "deep", you read alot, I sure you have read something on music beyond "piece is hard, piece is for 10 instruments, piece has fugue." *** hamster could say as much.

You never posted any of your "works", and as "I LOVE XENAKIS", your constant claims (to me none the less -under another user name) that you can play pieces like HERMA, etc... went, as everything else... down the drain.

....

In other words, enough. You arent a composer, you arent a pianist, and you arent a theorist. For all that talk, WHAT exactly are you?

[soliloquy]

In other words, enough. You arent a composer, you arent a pianist, and you arent a theorist. For all that talk, WHAT exactly are you?

I... am... BATMAN.

[maxreger]

exactly, you are a child, and you know it. You are a comic book, you are a caricature... nothing more. Smoke and Mirrors with an internet connection, all downloads, all wikipedia... there is nothing I can learn from you that I can't read from some book. Even then, you barely digested any of the information. And you know it too. Make the jokes, but, dont come crying when its not just me and 2 other guys that get it. When everyone else sees it too, not just on here either... but at your school, at home, in life. 

[soliloquy]

exactly, you are a child, and you know it. You are a comic book, you are a caricature... nothing more. Smoke and Mirrors with an internet connection, all downloads, all wikipedia... there is nothing I can learn from you that I can't read from some book. Even then, you barely digested any of the information. And you know it too. Make the jokes, but, dont come crying when its not just me and 2 other guys that get it. When everyone else sees it too, not just on here either... but at your school, at home, in life. 

You're gonna make my cry in real life

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings

And again I must intrude upon this oh-so-meaningful conversation. Exactly where are you both going to get with this? If you are so sure "Soliloquy" is an imposter, then ignore him. If you learned from the past, he never allows himself to be beaten by other members. He never backs down his beliefs; he never stops. What is the point?

"Soliloquy," do you like this fiasco? Do you like having other members rain trash down on you? Only someone with either a sick sense of humor and/or a mental disorder would. If you don't want to be attacked, don't attack them. You already proved that you do infact start attacks, and that you do provoke harsh judgement and criticism. If you stay by your claims, then support them. No use running. Although it is funny I'll admit...

[mcgillcomposer]

You're gonna make my cry in real life

* Hugs soliloquy

[mikey6]

since I son'tscan and upload

Hinty makes a spelling error! Must buy a lottery ticket

[ahinton]

It's certainly not up to me, of course, but if "soliloquy" makes available recordings of his playing or scores of his compositions or, perhaps more importantly, gives some public recitals of his own and others' works, those who hear and see will at last be able to appreciate what he has done and is able to do. If he doesn't do any of these things, no one will be any the wiser. Whether any conclusions can or should be drawn from this and, if so, what those conclusions can or should be, is obviously up to each individual to decide for him/herself, should he/she choose to do so.

For the record and for the avoidance of doubt, I will add here that I happen never to have heard or seen a note from him; again, however, I leave each individual to decide whether or not to draw what conclusions from that fact...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Hinty makes a spelling error! Must buy a lottery ticket

I think that it is pretty obviously a typographical error rather than a spelling one, but error it is nevertheless and I appreciate your drawing it to my attention (I've now gone back and corrected this - and another that you seem not to have noticed - in the same post); however, I wouldn't waste any money on that lottery ticket, if I were you - at least not on my account - since I am rather shamefully obliged to admit that these were far from the first typos that I have made here! Bearing in mind the spelling of the thread title, you may nevertheless note that at least I have neither accidentally nor otherwise typed "solipsiloquy" here or anywhere (until just now, that is...)

Best,

Alistair

[retrouvailles]

Hell, even I want that stuff by Prado. Sounds interesting.

[lau]

I assume it would have been sent to I Love Xenakis, as that is the account I spoke of

Soliloquy=I Love Xenakis, Lau= I Love Xenakis's new pf hero.. I wonder if this is still true 

[mephisto]

Alistair Hinton has a piece calle Soliloquy for cello:

Soliloquy for cello, op.10 (1971)
Approximate duration (minutes): 4
Première: Claire Wright (Royal College of Music, London, UK, 1971)
Manuscript (3pp., A4P)
Price: £6

https://www.sorabji-archive.co.uk/hinton/scores.php

Wonder how it sounds

[ahinton]

Alistair Hinton has a piece calle Soliloquy for cello:

Soliloquy for cello, op.10 (1971)
Approximate duration (minutes): 4
Première: Claire Wright (Royal College of Music, London, UK, 1971)
Manuscript (3pp., A4P)
Price: £6

https://www.sorabji-archive.co.uk/hinton/scores.php

Wonder how it sounds

My, how very observant you are!

As a matter of fact, Rubbra also wrote a Soliloquy (Op. 57) for cello, two horns, timpani and strings...

Best,

Alistair

[indutrial]

John Cage also wrote a piano piece in 1945 called 'Soliloquy.' Very cool heavy-handed piece.