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Topic: Scriabin - Sonata No.2 'Sonata-Fantasy' 2nd movement  (Read 5886 times)

Offline hodi

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sound quality is bad, and it's far from being perfect but it's a difficult piece believe me :(
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Re: Scriabin - Sonata No.2 'Sonata-Fantasy' 2nd movement
Reply #1 on: June 30, 2007, 01:28:41 PM
Dude...dont play with flat fingers like that. It makes it harder, gives a bad sound and hardly any articulation.

Kudos for learning it though.
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Re: Scriabin - Sonata No.2 'Sonata-Fantasy' 2nd movement
Reply #2 on: June 30, 2007, 03:52:49 PM
You have good fingers and you're musicianship is impressive (your Mendelssohn Fantasy is quite nice as well!) Bravo!

Nicco is quite right about the flat fingers. While ideal for certain passages, you're making it needlessly harder on yourself to play the entire movement like this. The lifting of the right hand pinky so far off the key between notes also is troubling. All in all, it's something you can correct with a bit of work. You're on the path to become an excellent Scriabinist!

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Re: Scriabin - Sonata No.2 'Sonata-Fantasy' 2nd movement
Reply #3 on: July 01, 2007, 05:18:06 AM
...why do you pedal so much in the first page? I admit it is better than your first attempt, but you really only need the pedal for the sf notes and when LH becomes melody. Mostly similar thing for when this kind of section comes back.

The tempo is too fast for you at the moment. You do have good fingers, but this piece is, at the moment, not 'under' your fingers. The melody is often lost, unclear, and chopped up - happens a lot in the middle section, for example. It is hard to judge by this video, but from what I can hear, many exquisite harmonic changes are left unrealised.

In other words, as you know, it just needs more practise.

It is a hard piece to bring out well. You are off to a pretty good start - I think this can be good. Nice work!

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Re: Scriabin - Sonata No.2 'Sonata-Fantasy' 2nd movement
Reply #4 on: July 01, 2007, 04:16:06 PM
ummm on the first page i didn't get, where to put the pedal?
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https://imslp.org/wiki/Piano_Sonata_No.2%2C_Op.19_%28Scriabin%2C_Alexander%29

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Re: Scriabin - Sonata No.2 'Sonata-Fantasy' 2nd movement
Reply #5 on: July 01, 2007, 11:13:07 PM
Here's where I'd pedal on the first page:

bar 2, first beat
bar 4, first beat
bars 5-8
bar 10, first beat
bar 12, first beat

That way, I think the pedal helps emphasise such things as crescendo-decrescendo, intensity build-up, and harmony.

Having looked at the score again after not seeing it for 1 year, I think it's also okay to pedal the way you did. It's just that I prefer the mysterious, intense, agitated atmosphere that, to me, is not achieved when you pedal all the way through the first page. So yeah...perhaps comes down to preference...

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Re: Scriabin - Sonata No.2 'Sonata-Fantasy' 2nd movement
Reply #6 on: July 02, 2007, 09:46:22 AM
this sounds incredibly difficult.  but, you can make it appear easier - imo, by not playing too fast.  it sounds rushed, to me.  you could take almost the same tempo - but but some rubato into the phrasing.  seems like many phrases 'run-on.'  i'd like to see you take more time between the various voicings and actually color them with a color pencil to remind you what you are bringing out next.   that said - i don't think i could play this.  possibly ever.  it's really difficult, isn't it?  scriabin is a step up in difficulty from chopin, right?!

here's some scriabin with pogorelich playing:  he's sort of my ideal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K79XjcbnMEA&mode=related&search=




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