Home
Piano Music
Piano Music Library
Audiovisual Study Tool
Search pieces
All composers
Top composers »
Bach
Beethoven
Brahms
Chopin
Debussy
Grieg
Haydn
Mendelssohn
Mozart
Liszt
Prokofiev
Rachmaninoff
Ravel
Schubert
Schumann
Scriabin
All composers »
All pieces
Recommended Pieces
PS Editions
Instructive Editions
Recordings
Recent additions
Free piano sheet music
News & Articles
PS Magazine
News flash
New albums
Livestreams
Article index
Piano Forum
Resources
Music dictionary
E-books
Manuscripts
Links
Mobile
About
About PS
Help & FAQ
Contact
Forum rules
Pricing
Log in
Sign up
Piano Forum
Home
Help
Search
Piano Forum
»
Piano Board
»
Student's Corner
»
Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
Print
Pages: [
1
]
Go Down
Topic: Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
(Read 4559 times)
Legato
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 39
Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
on: March 21, 2004, 11:44:05 PM
I’m curious how others play the lento section of this piece? Originally, I maintained a relatively consistent finger position and just moved my hands to make the chords, primarily with 1-3-5 fingering. Recently, when I revisited the piece, I tried playing this section as legato as I could and completely changed my original fingering. I connected the chords as much as possible. For example, my new fingering for the first three chords of measure 3, both hands:
RH: 1-2-4, 1-3-5, 1-2-4 [release thumb, connect 2-4 and 3-5]
LF: 1-3-5 (holding the E, transition thumb to 2), 1-3-5 (hold the B with 3), 1-4-5
I don’t have access to a teacher anymore and I was wondering what opinions people may have of this technique? I feel like the resulting sound is good but before I practice this way too much, I need a professional opinion. It is certainly much harder to play it this way.
Thanks in advance,
Rob
Logged
Rachmaninoff: Prelude Op. 3 No. 2 in C-sharp Minor
Sign up for a Piano Street membership to download this piano score.
Sign up for FREE! >>
Daevren
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 700
Re: Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
Reply #1 on: March 22, 2004, 03:11:29 AM
With my right hand I play 1-2-5, with the left I switch between 5-2-1- and 5-4-1, crossing tumbs of course.
I must add that I am completely self taught but I think I follow Rachs fingering instructions. I must agree that it is impossible to play legato this way.
Logged
Legato
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 39
Re: Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
Reply #2 on: March 22, 2004, 05:44:32 AM
Daevren,
I definitely agree on the x-thumbs issue. I can't imagine playing the piece without crossing thumbs. That's just how the music is written. It seems like all the chords would be awkward if the fingering were arranged such that the thumbs did not cross.
I'm still curious what others think. Play it as legato as possible or just rely on the pedal to connect the chords? The score looks ambiguous to me. I think the tenuto, in this case, is stressing more a long sustain than a detachment (staccato-like). Anyone else have an opinion?
Rob
Logged
Legato
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 39
Re: Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
Reply #3 on: March 24, 2004, 04:38:51 PM
no relies...
Logged
MikeLauwrie
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 48
Re: Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
Reply #4 on: April 20, 2004, 01:03:13 AM
Yes, cross your thumbs, and use loads of pedal.
Logged
ayahav
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 405
Re: Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
Reply #5 on: April 20, 2004, 01:05:56 AM
I still would try to play as legato as possible, and use the pedal only as a backup. The pedal's role isn't only to make your legato for you - that's your job
Logged
MikeLauwrie
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 48
Re: Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
Reply #6 on: April 20, 2004, 02:01:29 AM
Yes I know what the pedal's role is, but you still need a lot of it.
Logged
ayahav
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 405
Re: Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
Reply #7 on: April 20, 2004, 08:46:17 AM
That's true, but don't become reliant on it to make the legato line for you...
Logged
MikeLauwrie
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 48
Re: Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
Reply #8 on: April 20, 2004, 04:30:06 PM
No, not really.
You've circled loads of tenuto marks, meaning to make the notes sing. This is to show which notes are the melody, they have nothing to do with legato, or pedal, or anything else. In fact if anything they would imply more pedal.
Logged
ayahav
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 405
Re: Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
Reply #9 on: April 20, 2004, 08:30:00 PM
You've circled tenuti. They mean that the note should be held. 'Tenuto' literally translates as 'held', like 'tenue' in French. The French infinitive is 'tenir', and the Italian is 'tenire' (? If I remember correctly)... It's the equivalent of the stem 'tain' in English.
Entretenir - to entertain
soutenir - to sustain
obtenir - to obtain
Logged
tha_raven
PS Silver Member
Newbie
Posts: 4
Re: Rachmaninoff C# minor Prelude (Op. 3, No. 2)
Reply #10 on: April 27, 2004, 09:27:27 PM
pedal pedal pedal
the object is to make it sound like ringing bells not legato
hold the pedal and dont let it go until to play the chord in the lower notes
then hold it some more
it really sound better this way as welll
Logged
Sign-up to post reply
Print
Pages: [
1
]
Go Up
For more information about this topic, click search below!
Search on Piano Street