The thing is with giving an explanation, is that a logic explanation alone will probably not ensure anything.
I am not saying that you should reason with a child, that would be impossible. You need to make it clear that something is wrong behavior.
I am really saying the same thing as those that say you beat first, and then talk. I say, talk only. Because the beating only damages that what you try to learn the child.
...but since he has no memory of being spanked because of doing that something, he will essentially continue doing it in the future.
This is just an absurd and baseless claim.
And do you really think children will do anything unless they fear pain? (even though you don't want to use that word)
Yes, an ideal situation would be to use reason alone and no physical punishment, but that will probably not work with most or all children. Simply put, when a child learns that he will be spanked, he is more probably not going to do that situation again.
Yes, but he has learned nothing else. He hasn't learned what is good behavior and what not. He has only learned that if he does that something and their parent finds out they will suffer pain.
Spanking(if mild) doesn't cause fear. Beating causes fear.
So what is spanking then? And why does it have any effect at all? Does it cause pain but not fear of enduring that pain again. I don't say that a child will fear their parents. They will fear getting spanked. If they don't fear getting spanked then what effect does it have? Why wouldn't they go on with the wrong type of behavior?
You don't damage the parent-child relationship, in fact, you secure it.
If someone inflicts pain unto you surely this will not improve the relationship between the two.
Would you hit an animal? Or your friend? Just to 'secure the relationship'?
Sure, with an adult friend reasoning is possible. But they will still not like it be have pain inflicted unto them. So is beating your friend a good way to get a healthy relationship? If not, why not?
If you do not make sure that the child behaves morally in the future, he will continue on acting like he did and that has a potential to sever relationships.
Spanking a child does not have any effect on the child's development of sense of morality. What they see is their parent getting angry and spanking them.
Many children were slapped and do you think that slapping alone causes them to betray their mothers?
No. But surely it will hurt trust and loyalty.
Actually, a child who can't reason will not accept any logical explanation, naturally.
But if you spank him first he suddenly will? Again, people claimed that just spanking is bad. You need to talk afterwards. So then they are suddenly reasonable? If not, then why do you make this objection at all?
He will not accept any explanation at all because he still acts out of his instinct and not intellect, so any form of explanation will not work.
Again there seems to be the assumption that if you don't spank you should allow the child to do everything it wants. I am not proposing no punishment. I am proposing no physical punishment.
And on top of that through punishment a child won't learn anything. But it will change it's behavior.
This of course applies to younger children. However, they will recognize spanking, as that creates a stimulus through something which they understand. Yes, at that point, they will associate the wrongdoing with spanking, but later on they will understand the logic of it.
They won't learn anything. It has no influence on the outgrowth of their innate abilities.
Yes, all brains are very similar to each other, different only in size, but what a child has is the capacity of intellect. So even if he doesn't at the moment realize why he is being spanked, despite the explanation, he will later on understand.
Really, this whole point opposes your view. An animal will also recognize pain and avoid certain behavior. Just as a child. But a child has a brain that is developing. An animal has not.
You need to appear to the child's intellect, eventhough it is not capable of reasonable thought.
An explanation alone will not come through because the child isn't yet capable of grasping the concept.
But an explanation and spanking will? And aren't you repeating yourself? Aren't you trying to say something but you don't know what?
Again this is about younger children and children that are preteen in years should be ready to understand concepts.
The moment children are older their brains have already developed. Their personality is already formed. You can reason with them all you want, but then it's too late. Their sense of morality, sense of compassion, sense of discipline, all these things, have already formed.
You can talk all day about compassion, discipline right and wrong, but their brain has already settled.
Topic: Is physical punishment justifiable?