sonata k 457

[pianistimo]

i have two questions.

one is regarding the trill in the first movement on measures 2 and 6.  as i see it - mozart was intending to trill here starting with the bottom note instead of the top.  so - would it be ok to simply accent the first beat and NOt the upper auxillary (F)?

i have not worked this with a teacher - but worked the fantasy.  i would like to play them as a pair - but am stopped on this a little.  i realize that the note comes before the beat.  my question however - is if one can accent slightly before the beat and not accent twice.  what i mean is start the trill and go with it from the Eb.

second question - in the third movement (allegro assai) on measure 143-144 and elsewhere (154)- is it wrong to assume that mozart could have forgotten to mark this similarly to 140-141 where they are rolled?  i know he liked to have diverse types of movement sometimes - but this seems odd to me - unless he was slowing 'wayyy' down and making a really big statement here.  and even then, the middle measures wouldn't be as slow as the final at 154-55.

thanks from whomever has played this sonata or feels they understand it.

[amelialw]

which edition are you using? I learned this sonata and would be glad to help

[pianistimo]

i have henle.

[amelialw]

one is regarding the trill in the first movement on measures 2 and 6.  as i see it - mozart was intending to trill here starting with the bottom note instead of the top.  so - would it be ok to simply accent the first beat and NOt the upper auxillary (F)?
you accent the 16th note before the trill and the trill should be start on F.

second question - in the third movement (allegro assai) on measure 143-144 and elsewhere (154)- is it wrong to assume that mozart could have forgotten to mark this similarly to 140-141 where they are rolled?  i know he liked to have diverse types of movement sometimes - but this seems odd to me - unless he was slowing 'wayyy' down and making a really big statement here.  and even then, the middle measures wouldn't be as slow as the final at 154-55.

You are not supposed to roll the Chords on M.143-144 and 154 to 155 if it is'nt indicated. yes Mozart was probably trying to indicate a statement and did'nt want them to sound the same.

[pianistimo]

thank you for your reply.  i tend to think it is correct - despite my wanting to roll the chords to make it 'sound right' to my ears. 

[teresa_b]

pianistimo, I haven't done this sonata, but in general, I am always messing around with Mozart's ornaments when it isn't exactly indicated how to play them.  (I sometimes hear artists playing them differently on recordings, too.) 

My philosophy is, try every way the ornament might be played, and play the whole line to see which sounds smoothest or most appropriate to you.  I have added little "passing tones", or decided on an auxiliary note vs a principle note just on the basis of what sounded more Mozartian to me.  (And let's face it, Mozart and his contemporaries embellished all sorts of things all the time!) 

Teresa