Music

[franzliszt2]

Lets talk about MUSIC!! Not speed, not technique, not stupid things.....MUSIC!!!

Whats yoru favoutite Mozart symphony? Beethoven symphony?

Why do you play piano? What other music do you like?

Don't you just hate it when people are impressed by the physical effort on piano playing as oppose to the music being produced? Those stupid idiots!! Who are so silly they see speed and clarity as the way forward! They are so emoty as humans theu can't see the true art involved. They don;t see that we spend 10 hours a day perfecting things to get a musical result!! They see the speed and technique!! Blind base idiots!! I hate them so much! The people who walk into your house when you are practicing..and say..."play a song!" and they don't hear music but watch you has you play, listening with such care, and hours of work, and all they have to say is "wow yu move fast"

Does anyone lock themselves in a room so this does not happen? I do! Why is piano the one thing that exists in my life and the one thing that destroys my life? Will I ever satisfy myself? I ask myself this a lot,. and say..yes maybe, but then an idiot comes along and I regret even playing the piano!!

What has the piano world come to? Are we so obsessed with speed and technique that we forget why we even started playing? We practice 10 hours a day to produce music! Why do people even look at people who think about speed? They are shallow, empty people.

All in all I HATE pianists!!!!! and I am ashamed to be one after reading many posts on this website!

[elevateme_returns]

my favourite mozart symphony is the late g minor one dont know what number.

im not ashamed to be a pianist.. ..

but there are silly topics on here i have to admit. mostly about speed.

[franzliszt2]

seriously....why do people here play the piano? Are your sex lives that bad you seek speed elsewhere? Why?

[franzliszt2]

You all talk of people from youtube etc...with great respect like OMG!! SO FAST!!!!!! have you never sat in a practice room and practiced?? You'd soon realise that op10no4 in 1 minute 20  is not a problem!! What do your teachers teach you?

[opus10no2]

Franz, I love both music and speed, exclusively, and together.

Stop being a douche, and provide EVIDENCE that you can play 10/4 in 80 seconds, if that's 'not a problem', make it faster.

[rallestar]

I'm not sure about Mozart - Probably Jupiter, although no 40 is fantastic too. As for Beethoven, I'm only intimately familiar with Eroica, no. 5 and no. 9. They are all fantastic, and I surely plan to listen to the others more soon. So much music and so little time to listen to it, it seems.

I'm going to see Eroica live soon, together with Brahms 2nd piano concerto, it'll be great.

What about other symphonies? Symphonies are underrated on piano forums  I love Dvorak 8, Tchaik 5, Mahler 1 and especially Brahms 3, randomly. The major/minor 1st theme is just completely out of this world.


With regards to speed, I agree - Although I wish I had better technique myself, as making a musical point still demands the technique required to do it.

[burstroman]

I hope there are more posts about MUSIC.  I've been listening to chamber music by Schubert and feel so moved and alive.

[mcgillcomposer]

Why don't we accompany the what with a WHY? I want to know what details of a certain piece speak to you.

[invictious]

You all talk of people from youtube etc...with great respect like OMG!! SO FAST!!!!!! have you never sat in a practice room and practiced?? You'd soon realise that op10no4 in 1 minute 20  is not a problem!! What do your teachers teach you?

pffft, 1:20? Is the person drunk?
I can do 1:13! hah
I just listened to Richter's 1:36 recording (this one:

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It's just amazing isn't it.

I agree with you, everything here is about speed, but we can't really seek musical help out there, we have to find it deep within ourselves. Technique on the other hand... (well..my technique is as bad as an anteater)

[jlh]

Franz, I love both music and speed, exclusively, and together.

Stop being a douche, and provide EVIDENCE that you can play 10/4 in 80 seconds, if that's 'not a problem', make it faster.

I think implicitly Franz is saying you're part of the problem. 

[franzliszt2]

Why should I provide eveidence to you op10no2? What music do you love? What Mahler do you like/dislike and why? Bruckner? Mozart? You only ever mention technical stuff. Why do you not believe I could play op10no4 fast? I've played it since I was 14 and I'm 19 now, therefore I'm pretty on top of the notes at speed! Howvere I couldn't play it like Murray Perahia did when I seen him!! And his was probably 2 minutes long!! But showed more technique than anyone else I've seen.

My favouite symphony's are Tchaik 2, Mozart no36, Beethoven 3, Mahler 5

[rallestar]

Mahlers are soooo long, I've always had a hard time appreciating a work the 1st time I hear it, and with works so long.. They're hard to get in to for me.

[opus10no2]

You should prove it because it sounds implausible, I haven't seriously claimed anything like that before.

Fav symph - Mahler 2 

[dutch_pianist]

I like the operas of Wagner (they are very long, though), the songs by Schumann because they are so romantic, the organconcerts and the Brandenburgische Konzerte by Bach, because the polyphony is so well laid out. I like Vivaldi because his music breaths the atmosphere of the baroque era.

Schubert is one of my favourite composers because his music comes with beautiful singing melodies.

I like jazz too, for instance by Duke Ellington, and I like some but not all popmusic.

[elevateme_returns]

I like the operas of Wagner (they are very long, though), the songs by Schumann because they are so romantic, the organconcerts and the Brandenburgische Konzerte by Bach, because the polyphony is so well laid out. I like Vivaldi because his music breaths the atmosphere of the baroque era.

Schubert is one of my favourite composers because his music comes with beautiful singing melodies.

I like jazz too, for instance by Duke Ellington, and I like some but not all popmusic.

schubert wrote the best melodies ever . ... so orgasmic.

have you heard any kapustin?

[rallestar]

I've heard the Kapustin on Hamelin's DVD, pretty cool stuff, but I can't find any recordings anywhere. You know of any good ones?

[franzliszt2]

I must say Hamelins recrding of Kapustin is cool. He's perfect for that sort of stuff in the snese that the music can get away with that steely perfection he plays with. Kapusitn recorded some stuff as well. It's much funkyer and cooler than Hamelins, and a lot more in the style so to speak. But I do enjoy the Hamelin recording.

I love Hamelins orgasm face on the "all about the fingers" dvd. It's in the Kapustin, it makes me laugh lol.

[jakub_eisenbruk]

Well, favorite symphony: Mahler's 9th. The way the music keeps disintegrating and reappearing through the entire work, until it finally vanishes in the end never ceases to amaze me. The most misunderstood musical work of all time, even by fervent Mahlerians.

Other favorite symphonies: The rest by Mahler, somewhere in this order: 10th, 6th, 8th, 5th, 1st, 2nd, 7th, 3rd, 4th.

Then comes Beethoven, somewhere in this order: 7th, 9th, 3rd, 5th, 8th, 6th, 4th, 1st, 2nd.

What about Shostakovich? His 7th symphony, the 6th, 4th, 5th, 15th, 14th, 13th?

What about Brian, a composer of great philosophical depths greatly misunderstood?

Then the most misunderstood composer for piano: Liszt. Mistaken for plain speed mostly, instead of using speed as a mean to express something, not one's technique. After all, speed, always remains an musical element in first place, not a vehicle to show yourself, that's almost always secondary, unless the composer did it with that purpose.

I would like, since this forum invites it, to share a story with you all: I have never, through the entire time that I have been listening to clasical music, which is a bit over 3 years, had much problem to digest any music. Sometimes it took me some time to appreciate a certain piece, but I never had to stop listening anything. I could hear at first Synaphai, Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima, Herma, Sorabji, Finissy, Makrokosmos, or even some extremely uncommon contemporary music with no complaints. But in this entire time, I came across two works, that I couldn't listen to.

One was Mahler's 9th Symphony. I remember clearly that when I first heard it, I had to turn it off. I simply couldn't stand it. It was so different from anything I had heard before that, it was a completely different universe, so imaginative, so terrible, celestial, spiritual, nihilistic, unresolved, open to eternity...

The other, was actually a compilation of pieces. Messiaen's organ works. In this case, I could listen for about 25 minutes, then I had to stop.

Something similar also happened to me with Philip Glass, but I could hear his music complete. And it also took me some time to really get inside Bach. Actually, the first piece I ever heard by him was the Art of the Fugue. How heavy this is for a beginner, I don't know, but I came to enjoy it quite quickly.

Anyway, later I came to love all of these works and their composers. 

Oh and I almost forgot about Dvorak's Symphonies. My favorite is actually the 7th. I hope this post wasn't too long to read.

Jakub Eisenbruk,

Mexico City.