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Offline sevencircles

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Douze Grandes Etudes, why so few recordings?
on: August 10, 2007, 06:48:48 PM
Why are there so few recordings of these etudes?

Who has performed them in public?

Offline dnephi

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Re: Douze Grandes Etudes, why so few recordings?
Reply #1 on: August 10, 2007, 07:26:47 PM
Weaker musically, formally and technically (in understanding of the instrument).
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Re: Douze Grandes Etudes, why so few recordings?
Reply #2 on: August 10, 2007, 08:51:49 PM
they are hard to learn, difficult to play technically and musically.
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Re: Douze Grandes Etudes, why so few recordings?
Reply #3 on: August 10, 2007, 08:55:28 PM
More mechanically difficult than the latter version and not all are worth the effort to learn.

Recordings i have heard so far (Howard, Weber & someone else i have forgotten), don't do them justice, especially the Howard. I guess there are not many pianists that could do it or would want to.

Probably would not be a great seller.

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Re: Douze Grandes Etudes, why so few recordings?
Reply #4 on: August 11, 2007, 12:50:32 AM
More mechanically difficult than the latter version and not all are worth the effort to learn.

Recordings i have heard so far (Howard, Weber & someone else i have forgotten), don't do them justice, especially the Howard. I guess there are not many pianists that could do it or would want to.

Probably would not be a great seller.

Thal


Does Howard play anything of Liszt's with justice? ::)

These studies are musically inferior compared to the Transcendentals though they are clearly the forerunner of what was to come.

I don't like the Transcendentals as they are musically inferior and based on simple variations.  So if the general thoughts about the Transcendentals are such, then the perception of the 12 big studies is going to be much less favourable.

The 12 big studies are similar to Czerny studies: simple structure, form, lacks musical development, and piano-minded = not musically interesting.

The general thought is that the Transcendentals are the "most difficult" etudes ever written and so a carnaval of pianists attempt to tackle them and ignore the 12 big studies as being easier and not worthy of performance.

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Re: Douze Grandes Etudes, why so few recordings?
Reply #5 on: August 11, 2007, 01:00:10 AM
Does Howard play anything of Liszt's with justice? ::)


I have yet to hear it if he did.

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Re: Douze Grandes Etudes, why so few recordings?
Reply #6 on: August 11, 2007, 02:11:56 AM
These studies are musically inferior compared to the Transcendentals....
I don't like the Transcendentals as they are musically inferior
musically inferior to themselves? ???

Howard has to play them better than Weber, she's boring as hell. (that analogy makes no sense but ya get the drift)
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