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Offline cardinals

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Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
on: August 24, 2007, 03:30:58 PM
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Re: Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
Reply #1 on: August 24, 2007, 08:21:19 PM
VERY impressive!!!

Why does it sound like a recording from 1921?

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Re: Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
Reply #2 on: January 05, 2008, 12:54:04 AM
fastest recording ive heard since Yundi Li's, but next time, please have some better sound
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Re: Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
Reply #3 on: January 05, 2008, 01:24:52 AM
You take it faster than you can make it beautiful and singing. I would not send it like that in an audition CD, I would take a slower tempo and keep a more fluid and legato tone.
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Re: Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
Reply #4 on: January 05, 2008, 03:43:15 AM
Quote from: thierry13 on January 05, 2008, 01:24:52 AM
You take it faster than you can make it beautiful and singing. I would not send it like that in an audition CD, I would take a slower tempo and keep a more fluid and legato tone.

I just listened to this for the first time since about 3-4 months ago, and it really sounded too much rushed with inconsistant tempo and I had to work more on making it sound better...but honestly, my recordings in last October submitted for the prescreening still needs improvement on control stuffs...and that is exactly what I need to do for the remaining month or so...

I think I was fortunate to be invited for the live auditions...but I believe pre-screenings for the graduate programs will be even tougher to pass...so I am going to spend a lot hours on making fingers work independently with Hanon and Pischna and researching on developing the tone of sound during several months before the first term starts later this year...do you think it is a good idea? I would like you to give me any advice or comments  :)
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Re: Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
Reply #5 on: January 06, 2008, 04:59:46 PM
personally i was very, very impressed with this. maybe a touch on the fast side, but you definitely pull it off. i wouldn't bother trawling through hanon- your fingers seem to know what they're doing- so if you want to stretch yourself then maybe learn some new repertoire which might give you a bit more insight into this and other pieces.
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Re: Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
Reply #6 on: January 07, 2008, 05:03:15 PM
i liked it very much! the speed aswell as the piece and your playing is MOSTLY impressive.
How did it take you to get to that level pianistically ?

Im always curious how the professional pianists tackle such pieces.

Do you organize your practice in pieces , e.g 1st week you play page 1-3 ?, 2nd week 4-6 ..? Do you decide  fixed practice times, like always from 6 till 8pm?

and furthermore, How did you approach the piece rhythmically, do you always count in your head while playing. Im trying to adapt to always counting while playing the pieces. But im getting so distracted , its just too much to care for playing the right keys, and doing the dynamics ,phrasing .

hOW DO you do it ?!
 >:( >:( >:( >:(


im looking forward to your answer
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Re: Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
Reply #7 on: January 07, 2008, 05:11:34 PM
I thought this was a forum for people who made their own composions. But this is really impressive. Not my favorite piece, but you really got skills man (Y)
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Re: Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
Reply #8 on: January 13, 2008, 05:21:12 AM
OK... I personally thought that it was too fast... now I don't mean a tad on the fast side... I mean that was so fast that it was dispicable... and not dispicable because I'm jealous of how fast you can play.... I mean dispicable because you butchered the presto sections constantly.... I would just like to point out that you played that piece faster than ashkenazy, rubenstein AND claudio arrau....

It's got very little shape when you play it like this and has very little climax and form when you race through it at a hundred miles an hour. We now know you can play incredibly fast and believe me - I'd be the first to congratulate you... but now you need to play beautifully and if that means playing slower to achieve a richer and more beautiful sound... then thats what needs to be done.

I went to uni with a guy who could play everything fast and difficult and played some of the hardest pieces around (the Paganini Variations by Rachmaninoff in his first year) but the sound was boring and dry. Don't end up like him... True pianism comes from sound, not from dexterity and speed.
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Re: Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
Reply #9 on: January 13, 2008, 07:27:55 AM
Your technical clarity is excellent in this difficult piece, Cardinals.  :)
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Re: Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
Reply #10 on: January 13, 2008, 12:37:07 PM
Quote from: perfect_pitch on January 13, 2008, 05:21:12 AM
OK... I personally thought that it was too fast...

I must agree, but I don't think it was so much a question of tempo as of the placing of the beats and rhythmicity.  There is a sense in fast sections that they are not being enjoyed.  It is though you do not breathe until you have reached a new section, and because of that, we lose a sense of the hypermetrical pulse fundamental to Chopin scherzi. 

That said, I really enjoyed the B Major section in the middle.  Quite beautiful (except for A# leading into ii chord in m. 383).

Best wishes,
ML
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Offline g.gould

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Re: Chopin - Scherzo No. 1 in b Op. 20 (recorded today)
Reply #11 on: January 13, 2008, 01:51:45 PM
i liked it very much!

here is my performance for this Scherzo:

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27344.0;id=4032


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