can I get/download recording of orchestra part ONLY of concerto?

[jamie0168]

I need to practice playing with an orchestra part and my 2nd pianist/orchestra is very busy and won't be able to play with me for a few months. In order to be prepared for my lessons, some practicing with the actual orchestra part would be awesome. Is there a place where I can download the part or some software where I can separate the piano part from the orchestra part?

[sissco]

https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_musicminusone.html?cart=3388904817204273

Thats all you need to know  But it is pretty expensive. However, I have some of them. What concerto are you playing?

[amelialw]

I need those too, do you have the orchestra part for schumann's concerto in a minor?

[jamie0168]

Beethoven 4th.
Thanks for info.

[amelialw]

yikes...those are so expensive and I don't need the sheet music, I already have it.

There's no point of buying these cd's because they cost so much and you are not going to just keep learning the same piece.

[quantum]

An alternate solution would be to find a MIDI file of the piece and mute the piano track.  You would need some sort of basic MIDI editor though, so you can actually see the individual tracks. 

Good thing about MIDI is you can adjust the tempo to whatever you want. 

https://www.classicalarchives.com/

[jlh]

An alternate solution would be to find a MIDI file of the piece and mute the piano track.  You would need some sort of basic MIDI editor though, so you can actually see the individual tracks. 

Good thing about MIDI is you can adjust the tempo to whatever you want. 

https://www.classicalarchives.com/

I wouldn't recommend this method for the Schumann concerto... it needs to breathe!  MIDI is so suffocating -- might work for early classical period concertos, though.

[quantum]

I wouldn't recommend this method for the Schumann concerto... it needs to breathe!  MIDI is so suffocating -- might work for early classical period concertos, though.

Same argument can be made for the MMO recodings.  There is no communication between the conductor on the recording and you as the soloist.  There would be breathing, but it wouldn't be your breathing.  Either way you would not be practicing the essential skills of communication with the conductor. 

If you wanted to, you could program your own rubato and breath into the MIDI.  But that takes quite a bit if fiddling. 

I'd say using either method would be OK as long as you understand you would not be practicing details of your breathing, phrasing, etc.  It would be good for learning thematic elements that involve dialog between the piano and orchestra, and when the piano has lead or is subservient to the orch.  As long as you know how to fill in the missing breath, phrasing, elasticity, communication when you meet with the conductor. 

I would treat it as practicing elements of the piece, not practicing a performance of the piece as a whole.   Just like slow practice of technical parts, or fast practice of lyrical parts, or singing out melodic lines, etc.

[Bob]

When you meet with the accompanist, make a recording.  Explain what you're doing to the accompanist.  They'll understand.

Sit down and "mime" out your performance.  Don't play unless you have to.  When it's your solo, just play through the melody.  That idea.

It's not perfect, but you do get your own accompanist playing which can be a plus.  If you're performing the piece with an accompanist, then it's a definite plus.

You could also make your own recording of yourself playing the accompaniment part.  Again, not perfect, but it's your own timing.  Add in "conductor" taps to cue yourself back in during playback.

Study the score like a conductor.  Be able to play your part and sing the other piano's parts.

[invictious]

Personally, I feel that using MMO constantly or MIDI, will cause you to not communicate with the conductor during the performance, because you have been so intent on actually getting the timing right, your playing of the piece will be very lifeless and stale.

I would still try and get another 2nd pianist, it's the best option. It promotes communication between the two pianists, just like the pianist and conductor relationship in actual performance.

[amelialw]

ok, anyway my teacher said she'll play the 2nd piano reduction with me.