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Topic: Greetings from a newbie and a question - double note trills  (Read 1752 times)

Offline dmc

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Hi all.  My first post here at PS forum.  I've been poking around for a while and found the content very interesting & helpful.  Greetings to all of you.  Looking forward to future posts and exchange of ideas, opinions, etc.

Here's my question:  I've had a love-hate relationship with the piano most of my life.  Been away from it for a few years but I feel it calling me back.  Obviously I've got some work to do to (hopefully) get back to where I was.  I've been working on the Chopin Barcarolle in F# Op. 60 which I used to play 1000 years ago.   ;D   Most of it seems attainable for me with some regular work.  But I'm wondering about the double note trills in it.  To get this part under my fingers, would it be better to practice the notes individually and then play them together ?  Or would it be more productive to practice both notes together slowly to build muscle memory and gradually increase my speed ?   Also any drills you could recommend for this would be appreciated.  Thanks !

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Re: Greetings from a newbie and a question - double note trills
Reply #1 on: August 30, 2007, 12:25:59 AM
I find that the technique used for double trills is different from single note trills.  Where single trills you can use a shaking motion from side to side, I find double trills need a shaking motion similar to that used when playing repeated chords quickly.  Try to involve the wrist more. 

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Offline thalberg

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Re: Greetings from a newbie and a question - double note trills
Reply #2 on: August 30, 2007, 12:35:11 AM
The first thing you need is a good fingering.   Have someone help you with this.

 Personally, for double note trills I always use pushing fingers on one set of notes and pulling fingers on the other.  The opposite motions complement each other.  That's a horrible explanation.  I'd really have to show you in person.

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Re: Greetings from a newbie and a question - double note trills
Reply #3 on: August 30, 2007, 01:28:03 AM
You will find this to be no problem once you get a general loosening of your hand.  I attached a series of simple exercises which are helpful (especially the last two).

When I write, "etc.," that means continue that exercise in the same pattern as the previous bars.

Walter Ramsey

Let me know if it helps.

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Re: Greetings from a newbie and a question - double note trills
Reply #4 on: August 30, 2007, 01:46:15 AM
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Personally, for double note trills I always use pushing fingers on one set of notes and pulling fingers on the other.  The opposite motions complement each other.  That's a horrible explanation.  I'd really have to show you in person.

I think I get your drift.  It kind of fits with using more wrist as quantum said ?

Walter - This looks terrific.  I'm anxious to try it out.

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Re: Greetings from a newbie and a question - double note trills
Reply #5 on: August 30, 2007, 01:57:27 AM
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