Wow, I didn't think of that. Obnoxious is an understatement of her manner. I read her long, long, long reply on the civility thread and even though she had some (few) good points, I left the computer feeling pretty pissed. In further thinking about it, it does seem like she is trying to manipulate this forum (users and administrator) so that moderators will be installed soon. Perhaps she wants to be a moderator on this forum too so she can control and censor more people. What a vindictive *insert word for pregnant dog here*.