The Alkaline Diet

[thalberg]

Thanks, Electrodoc.  You made me feel good about my instincts because I've always loved reverse osmosis purified water.  I always thought it tasted better than anything else.  (I also liked Evian, though)

I want to learn more from you.  For now, I must go study....

[thalberg]

Just because the human body has a range of pH values in which it operates does not mean your diet should be based on pH.

Again, the existence of pH does not mean you need to eat food with the proper pH to balance your body.

People drink soda drinks all the time. Many of them have a low pH. Only harmful for teeth as far as I know.



If you have totally new research data that proves otherwise then please share it with the rest of the world.

How many times does he have to say that simply following an alkaline diet will not achieve proper Ph levels?  He is not saying what you think he's saying.  So you can have peace.

[wotgoplunk]

And don't forget to boycott Nestle everyone. Bloody thieves nicking my water. 

I like my tap water, negative as it may be. My Brita filter leaves those annoying dots of carbon.

[prometheus]

How many times does he have to say that simply following an alkaline diet will not achieve proper Ph levels?  He is not saying what you think he's saying.  So you can have peace.

The so-called alkaline diet does nothing. Maybe he does not know what he is saying.

[thalberg]

The so-called alkaline diet does nothing. Maybe he does not know what he is saying.

LOL you sure don't like that alkaline diet!!  Haha.  Tell me, what diets do you like?  Perhaps I should investigate.

[prometheus]

I never said I didn't like it.

[jlh]

Obviously I'm not a medical doctor, but from what I've learned I would say that the problem with adjusting your body's PH levels to be more alkaline is that you are leaving yourself prone to infection by fungii such as Candida Yeast that begins in the digestive system and little by little spreads to other parts of the body. It is an invasive parasite that attaches itself to the intestinal wall and becomes a permanent resident of your internal organs. It is causing numerous health problems such as Chronic Fatigue, Immune Weakness, Allergies and general Systemic Degeneration.


Wouldn't you be better off not messing with your PH unless you have immediate reason to?

[electrodoc]

First, let me make clear that I never said that following an alkaline diet will change blood pH. In fact I said that it will not because other parameters need to change first.

Second, when referring to pH please state which body fluid. The saliva reflects the overall state of the digestive system. I also stated that the data needs to be taken after fasting for 12 hours (ideal). A minimum of2 - 3 hours must be left after eating or drinking before taking data and allowance has to be made for this.

Please note what I said about balancing the electrical resistance value of the urine first. This reflects the electrolyte balance (it is not a direct measure). The resistance value of the blood will reflect the electrolyte balance but it will not indicate which elements are deficient or in excess. Whithout a correct electrolyte balance (essential minerals and trace elements) there is no real possibility of adequately improving the pH.

For those who do not understand this debate pH is a measure of the hydrogen ion concentration. Since a hydrogen ion is in effect a proton we get a measure of the proton concentrate. The more acid a fluid becomes, the more protons or positive charges. Thus, if urine becomes too acidic then we are excreting protons from the body. These have to come from somewhere - usually the blood and or saliva and thus there is a tendency for these latter two fluids to shift in the opposite direction, i.e. become alkaline. The blood acts as a buffer for the body and if the blood is excessively alkaline the tissue tend to be over acidic. This is the basic argument of the alkaline diet, and though the basis is correct, merely following an alkaline diet will not bring about change.

First, get the excretory mechanism working properly - drink good water and ensure that adequate trace elements are present in the diet. One of the problems today is that intensive farming methods have depleted the soil and much of our vegetables are lacking in essential minerals. The ideal solution is organically grown food from mineral rich soil.

Anyway, this is a music forum not a biology one. Let's get back to making music and providing food for the soul.

Best wishes

Electrodoc

[dnephi]

Haha.

Do some research proving that eating a lot of acidic food makes your blood pH significantly drop and send it to be peer reviewed to The Lancet or Nature.



If your blood pH is off then you have something serious like kidney failure, diabetes ketoacidosis or shock. It doesn't mean you have eaten too many lemons for your own good.


Yeah, throwing around some pH numbers may impress a few people. But it's all bullshit and deceptive pseudoscience.


FYI, your stomach has a pH between 2 and 3. Surely food will not acidify your body while your stomach and the rest of your gastrointestinal tract already have a very low pH.

Keep in mind that your stomach is a buffer solution.  That means your pH won't change much no matter what you eat, pretty much.

[prometheus]

First, let me make clear that I never said that following an alkaline diet will change blood pH. In fact I said that it will not because other parameters need to change first.

Then why don't you call it bullshit then? Why do you say it is 'correct' if you believe that it is just plain silly.

Second, when referring to pH please state which body fluid.

Why?

Anyway, this is a music forum not a biology one. Let's get back to making music and providing food for the soul.

Nope, this is the non-music section.


What exactly do you do to people to make them healthy anyway? Electroshock?

[jlh]

Nope, this is the non-music section.

Not that I don't agree with you... I do, but this is technically the "anything but PIANO" section.  That said, exactly how many threads in this section were actually started as music threads?  So I agree with you. 

[thalberg]

Then why don't you call it bullshit then? Why do you say it is 'correct' if you believe that it is just plain silly.

Why?

Nope, this is the non-music section.


What exactly do you do to people to make them healthy anyway? Electroshock?

Prometheus, dear, you are coming across a bit hostile.  

I for one really like electrodoc's input.  Please do not silence him, if only for my sake.

[matterintospirit]

Prometheus, dear, you are coming across a bit hostile.  

I for one really like electrodoc's input.  Please do not silence him, if only for my sake.

Prometheus "bound"----soundz good!-----

[thalberg]

Prometheus, dear, you are coming across a bit hostile.  

I for one really like electrodoc's input.  Please do not silence him, if only for my sake.

I read your reply again--rather than the electroshock thing being hostile, I now see you were probably just joking rather than mocking.  Sorry for calling you hostile.

[matterintospirit]

I read your reply again--rather than the electroshock thing being hostile, I now see you were probably just joking rather than mocking.  Sorry for calling you hostile.

Don't go back on yourself, blintz. I'm sure P can take it. In any case, I thought it was a rather disrespectful response to someone obviously quite knowledgable, who took the time to impart a great deal of his scientific knowledge in response to your question. That's the point.

[prometheus]

Well, it was kind of a joke and kind of a mockery.

I do get the feeling that electrodoc is in the alternative medicine corner. And that is often fraudulent. Now I know that there are a lot of caring and honest people but still people pay money for treatment that has no effect.


Electroshock is a controversial treatment that is actually gaining some more ground recently.

But really, the name electrodoc does probably hint at that he offers some kind of similar treatment.

[thalberg]

Well, it was kind of a joke and kind of a mockery.

I do get the feeling that electrodoc is in the alternative medicine corner. And that is often fraudulent. Now I know that there are a lot of caring and honest people but still people pay money for treatment that has no effect.


Electroshock is a controversial treatment that is actually gaining some more ground recently.

But really, the name electrodoc does probably hint at that he offers some kind of similar treatment.

Often fraudulent?  How about all the allopathic docs who charged tens of thousands of dollars to me and did me no good whatsoever?  The least they could offer is a refund.  Allopathic docs also do far more harm than alternative docs with all their tendencies to amputate the wrong limb and leave a wristwatch inside a surgical site.  With alternative docs, it may not help, but it also usually doesn't hurt.  On the other hand, alternative docs do get some miraculous results when they are correct in their approach.

[prometheus]

You can't mean that.

Look at what happened to the life expectancy after we discovered bacteria.


Actual medicine, Allopathic medicine, is one of the few accomplishments of mankind.


Alternative medicine is either brand new and still needs to be tested or it's just good intention and a lot of superstition and wishful thinking.

[thalbergmad]

superstition and wishful thinking.

I am sure that has cured many an ailment.

[ultraviolet]

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[prometheus]

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[electrodoc]

Off on holiday for a week so unable to continue this thread for time being. If anyone interested I am more than happy to elaborate on aspects of this debate. If no one interested then I am equally happy to keep quiet.

Back soon

Electrodoc

[hodi]

for a second i tought i saw "the alkan diet"

[ahinton]

for a second i tought i saw "the alkan diet"

We've been there already (check the early entries in this thread)...

Best,

Alistair

[dnephi]

KAN you feel ... the love... tonight.....

[opus57]

I think this "alkaline diet" is not to be taken seriously: the effect which food has on the pH of your blood and cells is very small and your body has to be acidic, because the biochemical processes run more efficient when the enviroment is acidic... I don't know if it makes sense to become more alkaline...

Only one example: when you use your muscles, they produce lactat which is an acid and the blood is getting sour. Our blood pigment, the hemoglobin regulates the pH and so the blood reminds in a steady pH... Even in a tour de France cyclist or in the swimming world champion...

So I don't believe that alkaline diet is useful...

 

[leahcim]

They say that if your blood is alkaline, cancer CANNOT form anywhere in your system.

Yeah, that's one advantage of death...

[opus57]

But to make your bloo alkaline you would have to inject a shot of natriumhydroxide or something... and I know that nonody on this planet would enjoy that!

[goldentone]

This has been quite an interesting thread.  I appreciate Electrodoc's patience and kindness in response to the opposition. 

I believe in eating healthfully.  There was a time when I was really into diet and health, searching and reading up.  My current diet is in between typical American eating and healthy eating.  I should get to where I want to be diet-wise eventually.

I had an idea pop into my head that perhaps the most important factors in living long and being in health are in accordance with the most vital biological needs that we have:

1.  Oxygen
2.  Water
3.  Food   

So that if we work on bettering our breathing (deep breathing exercises), drink enough of the right kind of water, and eat well, we will fare well.  I read once that we can increase our lifespan up to 30% by being deep breathers.

To good health!  *toasts*