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Offline pianolearner

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Kills 99.9% of Bacteria
on: October 08, 2007, 06:46:58 AM
https://www.dettol.co.uk/pop_hottopic.html

Now, if I understand evolution and survival of the fittest, this means that the remaining 0.1% of bacteria is resistant to this disinfectant. So, in time, the only bacteria in your house will be one you can't kill  :o

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Re: Kills 99.9% of Bacteria
Reply #1 on: October 08, 2007, 08:10:02 AM
Not only that.

The body has its antibodies (is this the correct word  ::) ) to defend against bacteria. And these antibodies are trained and get stronger only when they come in contact with the bacteria. So if you avoid to come in contact with bacteria, your antibodies become weaker and weaker. This is the main cause of allergies.
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Re: Kills 99.9% of Bacteria
Reply #2 on: October 08, 2007, 10:49:56 AM
Right!
Not only that.

The body has its antibodies (is this the correct word) to defend against bacteria. And these antibodies are trained and get stronger only when they come in contact with the bacteria. So if you avoid to come in contact with bacteria, your antibodies become weaker and weaker. This is the main cause of allergies.

In our delusion for srupulous cleanliness and in our fear of things you can't see but which can make you ill, we work against our constitutional immune system and we become weaker and weaker. Survival of the fittest means, that we are in a struggle for life too and the fittest does not mean, that this one survives who kills all other creatures. It means this one, who fits himself the best into the arrangement of nature.

So we should stop with our fight against the power of micro organisms and find ways to make us stronger on a natural, preserving way...
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Re: Kills 99.9% of Bacteria
Reply #3 on: October 08, 2007, 10:44:25 PM
what about boiling water?  that kills about everything doesn't it?

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Re: Kills 99.9% of Bacteria
Reply #4 on: October 08, 2007, 10:52:13 PM
That depends on the time you boil it...  ::)
In scientific institutes they destroy their bacterias with boiling and pressure, so that they can be sure nothing survives... So boiling seems to be the most sure of all common methods. Imagine you heat a cell which contains 80% water and all this water becomes gasious. Good night to all organisms  ;D
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Re: Kills 99.9% of Bacteria
Reply #5 on: October 08, 2007, 11:37:08 PM
what about boiling water?  that kills about everything doesn't it?

There are extremophiles that the Astrobiologists looking for life on other planets talk about.
They live pretty much anywhere and everywhere.

e.g This guy sounds like you'd just be giving him a warm bath...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthermophile



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Re: Kills 99.9% of Bacteria
Reply #6 on: October 09, 2007, 12:01:01 AM
hmm.  131 for 2 hours and still survived but couldn't reproduce.  ok.  wow.  hot bacteria.  where's paris hilton? 

i never really knew about bacteria surviving boiling water.  now, if i were asked to sterilize water for somebody - i'd pressure cook it.  carbon filters are supposed to strain out a lot of things.  can you strain bacteria, though?

a person by the name of 'tiger tom' says that ultra violet light kills bacteria.  that is why sunlight on a stream will effectively clean the water.  it effectively stuns them and steals their ability to replicate.

but, he says that people often think bleach will kill cryptosporidium.  actually, they aren't affected by it.  that was a new one for me as i thought that was the only effective way to clean public swimming pools (aside from filters).

here's what 'tiger tom' says:
https://purewatergazette.net/ttuv.htm

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Re: Kills 99.9% of Bacteria
Reply #7 on: October 09, 2007, 12:12:41 AM
this makes me think about cleaning techniqes and realize why sheets that hang outside to dry always feel and smell so clean.  also, rugs/shoes - whatever you leave out in the sun. 

and, also, whenever we have a really terrible smelling garbage - i put some soda water in it and leave it out in the sun for a while.  it does the trick.  same with filters for carpet cleaners.  they can get a bit nasty.  i just fill the thing up with hot water (some dishsoap and soda) and leave it out on a sunny day.  shake it - pour the water out and voila.  clean again.

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Re: Kills 99.9% of Bacteria
Reply #8 on: October 09, 2007, 10:31:36 AM
UV-light is very effective. But bacterias are so small that they can hide inside of little nanoparts of dirt or whatever and I heard from high sterile labs, that UV is often not efficient enough... But however: our disability to kill bacterias will make us stronger  :)
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Re: Kills 99.9% of Bacteria
Reply #9 on: October 09, 2007, 04:18:43 PM
That depends on the time you boil it...  ::)
In scientific institutes they destroy their bacterias with boiling and pressure, so that they can be sure nothing survives... So boiling seems to be the most sure of all common methods. Imagine you heat a cell which contains 80% water and all this water becomes gasious. Good night to all organisms  ;D

Are you suggesting that an organism which has adapted to survive at room temperature would survive in water heated above 80’C? I doubt that very much. I would say that anything alive in water at room temperature would die the instant it boils.
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