Whats News people?

[thalbergmad]

 the bible says this place was the very place that abraham was told to sacrifice his son issac

Charming lot in the Bible.

Would you sacrifice your daughter if God told you to do so?

Thal

[thalbergmad]

NEWSFLASH.

Its the second coming.........OFFICIAL

[ramithediv]

NEWSFLASH.

Its the second coming.........OFFICIAL

Can you please tell us the source of this news. 

[pianistimo]

he's the only one concerned about israel at the moment - so in a way - despite how those who side with muslim concerns want to obliterate israel...i believe God will bless President Bush for protection of the concerns of national sovereignty to israel.

people who are non-religious or even anti-religion believe that having no religion at all will bring peace to the world.  IS THIS TRUE?  i don't think so.  you'll soon find (i believe) that violence comes from not knowing the true God.

notice - God DID NOT ALLOW abraham to sacrifice his son and provided an alternate sacrifice.  BUT, he did allow Yeshua or Jesus Christ to be sacrificed in our stead. 

and, israel is the site where God began and will finish his 'kingdom of God.'   jerusalem is spoken of all over in the bible as being 'the holy city'  or 'the city of God.'  the temple of solomon was blessed by God and is UNDER THE DOME OF THE ROCK.  the attempts by muslim's to hide judaism's holy sites from the world is very noticeable.  they are the very basis and foundation of israel's claim to those locations.

did you know solomon's temple had a southern view?  also, the water table is important to proving the location.  the arabs were well aware that the highest and most definite spot for the temple WAS at the dome of the rock.  https://www.geocities.com/theseder2/

[pianochick93]

And in other news, a german company has invented a schnitzel you can cook in a pop-up toaster.

What???
Why would you bother.

So that's what the super high settings are for that burn the toast...schnitzel...

[pianistimo]

oh.  and guess exactly where Jesus Christ is returning.  you got it!  to HIS TEMPLE.  it belongs to Him.  everyone else is going to get an eyefull when the entire temple mount splits in two.  what is under it - do you think?

II chronicles 3:1 'then solomon began to guild the house of the Lord at jerusalem in mount moriah where the Lord appeared to David his father, in the place that David had prepared in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.'  so we know - the jebusites had previously dwelt in this area and that David purchased the site.  'and he began to build in the second day of the second month, in the fourth year of his reign.'

when this temple mount splits - we should see the remains of a temple that looks like this:

'the length by cubits after the first measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits.  and the porch that was in the front of the house, the length of it was according to the breadth of the house, twenty cubits, and the height was an hundred and twenty: and he overlaid it with pure gold.  and, the greater house he cieled with fir tree, which he overlaid with fine gold, and set thereon palm trees and chains.  and he garnished the house with precious stones for beauty: and the gold was gold of parvaim...'  the entire description of the temple is in II chron. 3. 

people laugh and say - oh, the bible is just stories.  when they see the remains of the temple of solomon - they will realize how far back in time that went and how accurate every word of God is.  you cannot hide the words of God.  even down to the exact measurements and what it was built of.  but, God is not only concerned with the history and people's of israel - but the entire world.  that's why it will be an 'ensign' to many people.  that location is called ZION.  isaiah 30:17 'till ye be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on a hill. 

that area is also called 'the mountain of the Lord.'  it is the place or seat of jerusalem and where the nations will come to worship the Lord.  it is said that before this time the daughter of Zion will be in labor.  that is exactly what is happening!  the difficulties of israel with enemies on all sides.  this is before a 'birth' of a new world government that will be on Jesus or Yeshua's shoulders.  'and the government shall be upon his shoulders...Wonderful, Counsellor, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace....' micah 4 'in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains (a government to exceed all governments) and many people SHALL FLOW UNTO IT.  and many nations shall come, and say 'come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.'

'and He shall judge among many people and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks:  nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more....'

[mephisto]

and who dwelt there before?  israel existed as a nation in bible times.  it was not disputed.  then various resettlements occurred under roman occupation (this can be confirmed by history books).  but, many religious sites have direct connection to the jewish people.  archeological sites confirm the city of david (which is referring to king david) - and prove that he was an israelite king.  it's an age-old rivalry between the children of issac and ishmael.

btw, if i misquoted ahmadinejad, i'm sorry.  i think he said (in persian) 'mythical proportions.'  but when he goes on to say that if palestians should share the holy land - so should the rest of the world (ie alaska and canada as two examples of prime real estate).   the thing is - there is no history there of israel as a country existing in that location.  there is in the 'land of israel.'

in fact, i believe that before WWI it was a place where jews and arabs lived together.  to say one has lived there for 'however many years' without the other is denying a sort of 'twinning' situtation.  they are brothers from bible times.  history of israel's rebirth after the ottoman empire is explained here:

https://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

israel, jordan and the west bank was under a british mandate,  and syria and lebanon under french mandate.

Ok. You are right, everything I have written was wrong. Drive the palestinians ( a people that doesn't exist) out!

[pianistimo]

i never said to drive them out.  after all - the british mandate was to equally split palestine into two parts.  israel and jordan.  but, the palestians wanted a third portion.  perhaps - they will soon have it.  what are you complaining about.  it is israel that will take the brunt of the idea.  the idea that palestinians have peace in their hearts towards israel is untrue.  they do not want the state of israel to EXIST.  that was why they defied the british mandate and took over the temple mount immediately.  now WHY the temple mount?  do they understand it's significance to the jewish people?

when palestine has it's portion of the holy sites - will they protect them or use them as military bases?  the essence of the inscriptions inside the dome of the rock 'la sharika l ahu' or God has no companion.  they deny that God has a companion - and yet admit in the quran that Jesus Christ was a prophet?  strange.  i think they are fighting God Himself and the words of Jesus Christ.

[mephisto]

in fact, i believe that before WWI it was a place where jews and arabs lived together. 

Jews and arab (some jews consider themself to be arab) lived together in almost all arab countries before before WWI. These jews where called Mizrahim and Sephardim. The sephardim are the jews who escaped from Spain and settled in parts of northern parts of Africa (Marroco, Algerie, Egypt etc) and the middle east. Mizrahim refeer to jews who had stayed in the middle east for ever. They lived in countries like Iraq, and continue to live in places like Iran.

[pianistimo]

WWII changed a lot of that, you know - but i understand the correctness that under the ottoman rule there were only a FEW jews in palestine that worked for the sultans, etc.  but they DID REMAIN.  even though a few.  nobody says anything about that.  in fact, the sultans allowed them to write books regarding the antiquities.  WWII made many nations hostile to the jews.  why?  dna.  it's so strange how the very nation God blessed - the nations curse.

Yeshua or Jesus Christ was a JEW.  in effect - saying that the jews don't exist or deserve to exist is like saying the nation that represents the laws of Almighty God doesn't exist.  the torah is the law of our Lord.  and, yet - in mercy he holds us under grace.

it's not that the jewish people are BETTEr than anyone else.  it's that they are the only ones that listen to the laws of God and attempt to do them.  basically, this is the very government that will be established in the millenium - minus sacrifices because Jesus paid that one for aLL TIME.  what Yeshua wants is a sacrifice of the heart.  to be at peace and not at war.  to show the nations HOW to live at peace will require at the first showing them the boundaries that God made Himself for the nations.  the boundaries of israel were established FOREVER - believe it or not.  of course, we are under a different government situation right now - but i don't think it will stay this way.

it is said that when Yeshua returns he will save the tents of 'judah' first.  the jews!  why?  because they are the most oppressed now.  zech. 12:2 'behold, i will make jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people roundabout, when they shall be in the siege both against judah (jews) and jerusalem, and in that day i will make jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people:  all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it....'

vs. 7 'the Lord also shall save the tents of judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of jerusalem do not magnify themselves against judah.'

[zheer]

  Speaking of the Ottoman empire, as a Kurd am ashamed of what we along with the Turks did to the Armenians, the first Holocust,the Armenian genocide ,hundred of thousand of Armenians killed by the Kurds, 1.5 million dead in totall 

[thalbergmad]

oh.  and guess exactly where Jesus Christ is returning.  you got it!  to HIS TEMPLE.  

That is not true.

Jesus went into a hotel in PA last night. He gave the owner some nails and asked if he could be put up for the night.

Thal

[pianistimo]

zheer, i think it is truth when people of all nations admit to atrocities.  the same for the usa in the concentration camps that japanese americans were sent to.  it's basically denying peaceful thinking and doing people their rights to live in a humane way.  they could have denied them access to guns or something - but they did not have to treat them inhumanely and starve them or treat them disrespectfully.

also, guantanamo is a disaster of thought even to terrorists.  there is no relevance to the idea that we were once a nation that guaranteed rights even to our enemies.  so there's really no one that is just in war situations.  if we were kind (just once) they might be tolerant or realize that we stand for something (abeit different than theirs - and acknowledge that differences can be good).  but, to trash another culture is idiotic.  i suppose that it makes us all equally bad.

[thalbergmad]

i believe God will bless President Bush for protection of the concerns of national sovereignty to israel.

Bush is going straight downwards baby, for the slaughter of thousands.

Thal

[pianistimo]

only God can judge nations and rulers.  i do think that President Bush looks ahead rather than waits for history to happen.  whether this was for the good of the world or not - is rather dismally viewed.  however, if saddam would have knocked out israel by now - the usa would look very weak and unable to protect it's allies.  we have very few - you know.  israel can't even trust us nowdays because those that work under President Bush are convinced that peace should come at the cost of israel and noone else?  why?  listen to what condoleeza rice has been recently saying about peace in the middle east.  it's WORSE than nancy pelosi's antics. 

[thalbergmad]

people who are non-religious or even anti-religion believe that having no religion at all will bring peace to the world.  IS THIS TRUE?  i don't think so.  you'll soon find (i believe) that violence comes from not knowing the true God.

Violence comes from thinking your God is superior to another God, or your beliefs are correct and someone else's are wrong.

Has it ever occurred to your tiny little mind that without religion there might not be a problem in Israel?

Violence comes from idiots like you. Hapless fools that would kill millions for a groundless belief.

You are Hitler in the making.

Thal

[zheer]

zheer, i think it is truth when people of all nations admit to atrocities. 

  Well it is kept very hush hush, i mean did you every study it at school.

[thalbergmad]

i do think that President Bush looks ahead rather than waits for history to happen. 

Bush creates history, he does not need to wait for it to happen.

Your trigger happy, sandal wearing, bible bashing crackpot has a lot to answer for. I can see why you like him as you seem to have similar interests.

Thal

[pianistimo]

you are saying that christians (who are minority in WORLD GOVERNMENT - notice WORLD GOVERMENT UNDER THE UNITED NATIONS) are unpeaceful and hitlerish?  christians are persected severely around the world.  so are jews.  israel is the smallest country in the world.  the vatican is a CITY.  it may consider taking over a portion of jerusalem though.

what is hitlerish is when someone wants to control the world right now.  israel has made no attempts to control the world.  they just want to live within established boundaries.

most christians i know want Jesus to return so we don't witness the atrocities that are sure to come from people who do not believe in Jesus Christ and want the UNITED NATIONS to rule them.  watch and see how peaceful they actually will be.

thal, i challenge you to discover what the bible says vs what the charters written for human rights are under the UN.  you will find huge discrepancies.  for one thing - it is not a law based upon precedent and stays the same forever.  it will be law based on whim.  who's whim?  a person's.  not God's.

zheer, it used to be that american universities hid the bad things.  then, we started explaining and apologizing.  now, it is at the point where we have foreigners teaching our american history classes and CHANGING THE TRUTH.  sure - every country does evil - but also, there was some good.  just as with every country.  the thing is - the basis of freedom is with the bible.  that's why the UN doesn't want to have anything to do with God.  God was the one who created us all equal.  how are we equal?  well, down to our dna  - which attributes one mother to us all (which could be figured out equally well by just considering the birth process).  instead the UN wants to establish non-religious reasoning (darwinian) and say that population control is somehow 'moral.'  if we answer to noone excepting ourselve s- the fittest survive.

[thalbergmad]

israel is the smallest country in the world.  the vatican is a CITY. 

https://geography.about.com/b/a/145721.htm

IT IS A COUNTRY YOU SPAZ, NOW SHUT UP.

I will not waste pixels in responding to the rest of your bilge.

Do you understand, Adolf?

Thal

[pianistimo]

i understand the pope better than adolf.  adolf didn't have glittery shoes and call his city (completely religious, btw) independent of government and still able to influence government.  perhaps a way to avoid taxes.  why don't other churches get this prerogative?

the pope has been in my recent studies because through him one can glean the ideals for world government by education.  hitler glommed onto world youth day through catholic ideals and the pope took it back again.  now, the UN and catholic church share the idea. 

ok.  here's a bit about lack ofhttps://gnuband.org/2007/06/26/the_church_does_pay_taxes_on_buildings_in_italy_and_eu_gives_us_a_fine/ taxation i find so far:

CNN's article 'biggest tax evader in history' :

https://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,833509,00.html

[pianistimo]

oh.  and employees at the vatican pay no income tax.  hmm. 

NOW, what do they benefit from italy's government?  hmm.  they are part of italy.  no doubt about it.

https://rawstory.com/news/afp/Pope_Benedict_XVI_turning_80_gives__04162007.html

[pianistimo]

ok.  let me tell it to you straight.  money is siphoned off and then re-put into either place (vatican or italy's government).  they are what you call 'money-launderers.'  not to mention that a lot of stuff that rightfully belongs to others is sitting in the vatican museum.  what we have here - is an excuse for a country under the guise of religion.  i think they'll get their just deserts when the UN taxes them stiffly.  of course, they'll balk and then give in under the condition they are granted the ability to help out with this EU plan.  take for instance the inclusion of their medical centers in NATIONAL HEALTH POLICY around europe. 

[thalbergmad]

Vatican is a Country.

Are you actually going to admit you are wrong for once.

You can hide your answer in babble if you want.

Thal

[pianistimo]

if the country of italy gives them money they are not taxed for - then i suppose the vatican also owns italy?

to call it a country would require a precedent set by not just italy but the world.  perhaps that day will come.  soon.  but, who will agree that the pope represents a country?  that he should have INTERNATIONAL STATUS on the basis of religion.

[thalbergmad]

You have not answered my question.

Are you going to admit you are wrong??

https://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/vaticancountry.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City

https://www.intute.ac.uk/sciences/worldguide/html/1058.html

https://www.searcheurope.com/countries/vatican_city/

https://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/countryfacts/vaticancitystate.html

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/places/countries/country_vaticancity.html

https://www.better-holidays.com/travel-guide-vatican/lID1/cIF227

https://www.joytelecom.co.uk/call_uk.asp?calls=Vatican-City

https://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108136.html

https://members.virtualtourist.com/m/52f59/4bb/

https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/country_profiles/1066140.stm

https://www.geography-site.co.uk/pages/countries/atlas/vatican.html

https://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/clintonb/backpack_europe/1131596580/tpod.html

https://www.thereareplaces.com/Guidebook/pdest/vtci.htm

https://www.world66.com/europe/vaticancity

https://pedia.newsfilter.co.uk/wikipedia/v/va/vatican_city.html

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071020073031AAVVtlA

https://www.britain.tv/wikipedia.php?title=Geography_of_the_Vatican_City








Thal

[pianistimo]

is the pope a PRESIDENT?  what does he rule?  a constituency that is equal or is it a sort of top down figuration?  do you support the style of government in this 'country?'

the 'country' relies on the italian infrastructure to provide transportation?  there is none of relevance in the 'country?'  electricity, telephones, etc. are provided bythe government of italy.

and, yet they are allowed 'diplomatic missions' around the world?  by what funding?  the UN.  it's a farce.  what do you think?  are they a HOLY SEE or HOLY SEA of MONEY LAUNDERING.

and if it is a COUNTRY - why is it only allowed observer status in the EU?  i should think that if they were given more than 'territorial' rights - that they should be fully taxed and then allowed to preach to the EU for a while.  but, interestingly they put up with all this.  why?  because they are interested in POWER.  behind the scenes wrangling - 'if you do this - i'll do that.'

off-shore accounts are a good analogy for people here who don't want to pay taxes.  they may have sovereignty - but if Jesus loves the little children - how come there are hardly any children in the country?

[thalbergmad]

You have not answered my question.

Are you going to admit you are wrong??

https://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/vaticancountry.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City

https://www.intute.ac.uk/sciences/worldguide/html/1058.html

https://www.searcheurope.com/countries/vatican_city/

https://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/countryfacts/vaticancitystate.html

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/places/countries/country_vaticancity.html

https://www.better-holidays.com/travel-guide-vatican/lID1/cIF227

https://www.joytelecom.co.uk/call_uk.asp?calls=Vatican-City

https://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108136.html

https://members.virtualtourist.com/m/52f59/4bb/

https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/country_profiles/1066140.stm

https://www.geography-site.co.uk/pages/countries/atlas/vatican.html

https://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/clintonb/backpack_europe/1131596580/tpod.html

https://www.thereareplaces.com/Guidebook/pdest/vtci.htm

https://www.world66.com/europe/vaticancity

https://pedia.newsfilter.co.uk/wikipedia/v/va/vatican_city.html

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071020073031AAVVtlA

https://www.britain.tv/wikipedia.php?title=Geography_of_the_Vatican_City


Thal

Thal, you forgot she is always right and everyone else is wrong.

Thal

[pianistimo]

countries typically have children.  where are they here?  too much priestly celebacy?  that's why the country has to keep importing them.  and what about women?  where are they?

You haven't explained why 'observer status' instead of full recognition by EU.  why observer?  maybe they are only considered territory and not country?

[thalbergmad]

it is a COUNTRY

Thank you at last.

Now go and sacrifice your children and stop irritating me.

Thal

[pianistimo]

tell me, thal - are you catholic or muslim?  or both?  and, why do you want to bother reminding me of sacrifice when i believe that Jesus died once for all - proving that priestly confession is really a thing of the past and not proven to be believed by the early disciples.

[thalbergmad]

i don't need to quote internet sites when the bible says what it says about the seven hills of rome. 

But you do quote internet sites on a regular basis.

Avoid the question as much as you want, but the Vatican is a Country.

Thal

[mephisto]

Other countries are smaller as well:

Andorra, San Marino, Monaco, Luxemburg etc.

[thalbergmad]

You waste your time Mephisto, she will never concede.

Thal

[ramithediv]

Someone ought to take her to the City of Wells. 

She would swear that it's not a City. 

Not big enough. 

[thalbergmad]

I would like to take her to a well.

[gilad]

mephisto you are right. Lebanon i think is smaller as well.( ;

But no arguing israel is small.

[pianogeek_cz]

Hey (Gilad, especially...), remember this one? Ze plot thickens! 

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123980

[mephisto]

mephisto you are right. Lebanon i think is smaller as well.( ;

But no arguing israel is small.

True it is very small, and it is very easy to get from one end to another.

[gilad]

True it is very small, and it is very easy to get from one end to another.

hehe. true. 

Here's info on size of israel.

Before June 1967, the area composing Israel (resulting from the armistice lines of 1949 and 1950) was about 20 700 km² (8,000 mi²), which included 445 km² (172 mi²) of inland waters. Thus Israel was roughly the size of the state of New Jersey, stretching 424 km (263 mi) from north to south. Its width ranged from 114 km (71 mi) to, at its narrowest point, 15 km (9 mi). In the June 1967 Six-Day War, Israel captured territories totaling an additional 7 099 km² (2,743 mi²). These territories include the West Bank, 5 879 km² (2,270 mi²); East Jerusalem (annexed, according Israeli law), 70 km² (27 mi²); and the Golan Heights (de facto annexation), 1 150 km² (444 mi²).


Dig around the temple mount:

https://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380615840&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Palistian ambassador visits Auschwitz:

https://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380615161&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Religious extremist mashuganers:

https://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380613550&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[thalbergmad]

https://www.sealandgov.org/About.html

The smallest Country.

Possibly not official.

Thal

[gilad]

Holy sh*t. I live in a fucked up country

hospital drivers gun down 4.

https://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=50903,1,22

[ada]

This was supposed to be a thread about news. It has once again been hijacked by our fundamentalist friend and turned into a yet another frothing-at-the-mouth biblical rant. (As oppose to a drunken, incoherent, rabid rant about how the UN is bringing down the world).

I am so sick of this. Thanks ever so much for ruining this thread. It is just plain rude, selfish and inconsiderate.

[pianochick93]

That's what I was about to post ada.

People move your religious dicussion elsewhere, or have mods delete posts that get too religious. I came here to read about news around the world, I did not come to hear about various religious deeds of biblical people.

Back on the NEWS topic. There is a new Matthew reilly book to released in Australia tomorrow. Yay.

[zheer]

  Turkish Army looking to move into north Iraq in an  attempt to capture and terminate the PKK. Now that is an invation since,they are not wonted in north Iraq,and America is not supporting the Turks.The Kurds in north Iraq are worried that this could bring trouble in the region.However the Kurdish millitary will use force to push out turkish army if they invade Kurdish land.What do you guys think will happen,am curious.

[gilad]

  Turkish Army looking to move into north Iraq in an  attempt to capture and terminate the PKK. Now that is an invation since,they are not wonted in north Iraq,and America is not supporting the Turks.The Kurds in north Iraq are worried that this could bring trouble in the region.However the Kurdish millitary will use force to push out turkish army if they invade Kurdish land.What do you guys think will happen,am curious.

The honest truth is i dont quite understand that conflict. Must research it.

[zheer]

The honest truth is i dont quite understand that conflict. Must research it.

  To cut a long story short, The PKK are the Kurds of Turky, the Kurds were treated very badly for decades,the founder of the PKK ,Ocalan united kurds who lost their identity and hope for the future.Under Turkish rule the Kurds were treated very badly.You name it,murder,prison, oppression and poverty.
        The PKK is a violent Organization, though very intelligent with pro western views, who demand that they be given independance,basically the Turks are on Kurdish land.The leader Ocalan was captured recently (1999) and is under trail,like Saddam, though obviously he is nothing like Saddam.Now the bearth of the PKK was a time when Kurds were in trouble,however since then things are better,thus many question whether they should stop now.
         Today they are called terrorist,oneday they may be called heros,in-fact i still play on a beatful chess set which the leader of the PKK ,Ocalan gave to our family as a gift, so am one of those who do not fear him, though disagree with some of the things they do,things that the Turks have done to the Kurdish people.
   You can still do research.
 

[thalbergmad]

NEWSFLASH

A lorry load of viagra was hijacked in London today.

The Police are looking for a group of hardened criminals.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

STOP PRESS

The search for the man who terrorizes nudist camps with a bacon slicer goes on. Inspector Lemuel Jones had a tip-off this morning, but hopes to be back on duty tomorrow.

Thal

[pianochick93]

Now this is better, news instead of religious babble.