Trill speed

[valor]

Hi, recently i've been learning the 2nd movement in Muzio Clementis Sonatina, op.38 no.1 i think, and it has a trill but I can't really get it beyond Adante speed. I was wondering, if you want to trill faster do you have to use different fingering? or is there a limited speed?

Sorry if that sounds a bit strange, i've just never played a trill, at least not one while playing with my other hand.

[pianowolfi]

The faster you want to trill the more relaxed you need to be. The more you force and press and strain your hand the worse the trill. Put your hand slightly on the keyboard, start practicing slowly and use also your hand and your forearm to support the movement, not only your fingers.

[valor]

ok, thanks.

[seicinta]

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[counterpoint]

it has a trill but I can't really get it beyond Adante speed. I was wondering, if you want to trill faster do you have to use different fingering? or is there a limited speed?

I suggest to play the trill in several different ways.

At first you could synchronize the trill with the other hand, by exactly playing the trill in 16th notes, in 16th triplets, in 32nd notes etc. That way you may get the tempo you need.

Later you should try to play the trill independent from the note values of the other hand, you may even have a variable tempo for the trill while the left hand stays in tempo.

It will take some time to get at this point, so be patient 

[valor]

I study as a job, it's necessary that you are happy studying,excuse my english, I'm study now the Goldberg variations, I make a plain in a paper, I writte that I study every day, houres, minutes, my objectives, I make a little table near me and I play houres and houres,do you know the Neuhaus's book about the piano? He say at a pupil: Sir, you study as a person who make "spaghetti", you put the watter at the fire, but when it's start ebullition you stop the fire..Do you understand me?.If you want study so fast you do'nt have time..You can study with all the calm thinking about the notes, the positions, repeat that and it's all

So.. your saying if i take things slowly i'll learn quicker? and that i should make a plan and objectives everytime i play? I've never actually made a plan and real objectives when i play the piano because i get distracted so easily lol, maybe i should, thanks i'll try that seicinta.

.... Later you should try to play the trill independent from the note values of the other hand, you may even have a variable tempo for the trill while the left hand stays in tempo....

I actually did something like that, by accident though lol.

[valor]

Sorry, i made a mistake. I didn't mean i couldn't get the trill beyond adante speed, i can play it pretty fast, what i ment is i can't fill up a Quarter note in adante speed with the trill, at least i couldn't. Im fine now, thanks again for the advice