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Offline franz_

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Tell me everything you know about these works
on: November 10, 2007, 11:33:58 AM
For school I have search all the information I can find about the works I'm playing. So information about the composer, the work, anecdotes, ...

The things I 'm looking for:

- Bach: P&F in G minor (WTC1)
- Moszkowski: Etude Op. 72 Nr. 6
- Chopin: Scherzo No. 1
- Haydn: Sonata Hob 49 in E flat Major


It would be very usefull to tell me all the things you know!
Currently learing:
- Chopin: Ballade No.3
- Scriabin: Etude Op. 8 No. 2
- Rachmaninoff: Etude Op. 33 No. 6
- Bach: P&F No 21 WTC I

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Re: Tell me everything you know about these works
Reply #1 on: November 10, 2007, 11:37:54 AM

- Chopin: Scherzo No. 1

  Chopin wrote this Scherzo when he was 19 and away from his homeland.He was feeling restless.
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Re: Tell me everything you know about these works
Reply #2 on: November 10, 2007, 12:55:16 PM
- Bach: P&F in G minor (WTC1)

Anton Rubinstein once remarked, in a masterclass of his, that you could word the subject like this:

D   Eb   G    F#        G              A Bb C   Bb A Bb   G
O   Lie-ber  Je-----   Su-----     De-e-ei--ne-e Lei-de----n
Be'ein Tachbulot Yipol Am Veteshua Berov Yoetz (Without cunning a nation shall fall,  Salvation Come By Many Good Counsels)

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Re: Tell me everything you know about these works
Reply #3 on: November 11, 2007, 10:16:59 AM
Thanks a lot, this is already usefull.

Anyone knows when Moszkowski and Bach composed those pieces?
Currently learing:
- Chopin: Ballade No.3
- Scriabin: Etude Op. 8 No. 2
- Rachmaninoff: Etude Op. 33 No. 6
- Bach: P&F No 21 WTC I

Offline bench warmer

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Re: Tell me everything you know about these works
Reply #4 on: November 11, 2007, 03:13:12 PM
Franz_ , you don't seem to be trying very hard to research this yourself. You can easily find this info on numerous search-engines/music sites.

I do admire your genius however.

Intelligence is figuring out how to do something and doing it. Genius is figuring out how to do something and having somebody else do it for you.
Bravo!

Offline franz_

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Re: Tell me everything you know about these works
Reply #5 on: November 11, 2007, 05:30:14 PM
Franz_ , you don't seem to be trying very hard to research this yourself. You can easily find this info on numerous search-engines/music sites.

I do admire your genius however.

Intelligence is figuring out how to do something and doing it. Genius is figuring out how to do something and having somebody else do it for you.
Bravo!
Seems you are an intelligent person, but really, I looked everywhere but couldn't find some essential things.
Currently learing:
- Chopin: Ballade No.3
- Scriabin: Etude Op. 8 No. 2
- Rachmaninoff: Etude Op. 33 No. 6
- Bach: P&F No 21 WTC I

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Re: Tell me everything you know about these works
Reply #7 on: November 11, 2007, 09:02:30 PM
If you are looking for information that is strictly related to the music itself, the score is all you really need. Otherwise, just follow franz_ and solliloquy's advice...Google or Wikipedia.
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Offline indutrial

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Re: Tell me everything you know about these works
Reply #8 on: November 11, 2007, 09:16:13 PM
If you are looking for information that is strictly related to the music itself, the score is all you really need. Otherwise, just follow franz_ and solliloquy's advice...Google or Wikipedia.

Google and wikipedia might be useful, but you'd do much better to go to a local music library (at college) and ask the librarian about how to search the academic journal databases. That way you can find all the theoretical and historical writings available on a specific work.

My google searches are always bogged down with internet lists and sheet-music selling websites. Wikipedia occasionally has a detailed article available, but not always.

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Re: Tell me everything you know about these works
Reply #9 on: November 11, 2007, 09:28:11 PM
Google and wikipedia might be useful, but you'd do much better to go to a local music library (at college) and ask the librarian about how to search the academic journal databases. That way you can find all the theoretical and historical writings available on a specific work.

My google searches are always bogged down with internet lists and sheet-music selling websites. Wikipedia occasionally has a detailed article available, but not always.
Indutrial has a good point re: the music library, but it would help us to guide you if we knew what kind of information you are looking for. The only problem with searching musicological journals is that you're going to have to sift through a lot of bullshit to get what you want - especially for the Bach, Haydn, and Chopin. I'm not so sure you want to read "Rhythmic Diversion in Chopin's scherzos: A feminist perspective". YES, it actually does exist... :-[
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Re: Tell me everything you know about these works
Reply #10 on: November 11, 2007, 09:35:38 PM
Indutrial has a good point re: the music library, but it would help us to guide you if we knew what kind of information you are looking for. The only problem with searching musicological journals is that you're going to have to sift through a lot of bullshit to get what you want - especially for the Bach, Haydn, and Chopin. I'm not so sure you want to read "Rhythmic Diversion in Chopin's scherzos: A feminist perspective". YES, it actually does exist... :-[

Whenever you read anything, you should give a fair contextualization to the author. Even though something might seem to be heavily weighted under P.C. stuff like this, the actually article might be brilliant. No way of knowing until you read the article. Some of the best literary theory articles I've ever read come from feminist writers and 'queer theory' writers. Keep in mind that there are also a lot of articles with seemingly innocuous titles that are filled with misinformation and the writers' unstated artistic and political biases. These days, it could actually be more useful to know an author's theoretical framework before reading the article.

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Re: Tell me everything you know about these works
Reply #11 on: November 11, 2007, 09:44:28 PM
you can find an analysis of the G minor fugue on https://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~tas3/wtc.html
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Re: Tell me everything you know about these works
Reply #12 on: November 12, 2007, 03:23:52 AM
Middle section of the Scherzo is a quote from a Polish Christmas carol.
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