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Offline Clare

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Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
on: April 22, 2004, 10:34:08 AM
Hey.
I just found out who one of the examiners is for my mid-year exam is, and, frankly, I'm a bit of a fan.
Is it terribly wrong to come into the exam room, and go, "Hey - you rock! I saw you at Blah concert and it was awesome!"
I reckon at this point in time, I need to try all the ways I can to get a good mark.  ;)

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Re: Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
Reply #1 on: April 22, 2004, 03:36:41 PM
at least you're a fan, and don't dislike them :D

who's the examiner?

(also, don't forget monetary bribes)

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Re: Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
Reply #2 on: April 22, 2004, 11:05:03 PM
Yes, there may be an ethical problem. However you can still do it in a subtle and covert way:

1. Buy all of his CDs (if available) and ask him to autograph each of them. In fact have two copies of each CD and explain that you have a "listening" copy, and the other one you keep as a safeguard just in case something happens to the listening copy.

2. Show him an album you made of newspaper clips, photos, criticisms, etc. ask him to autograph it.

3. If he shakes your hand, tell him you will never wash your hand ever again.

;D ;D ;D
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Offline ayahav

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Re: Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
Reply #3 on: April 22, 2004, 11:42:35 PM
you call that ethical? ;D

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Re: Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
Reply #4 on: April 23, 2004, 07:44:22 PM
just show him a little extra cleavage, and bend over more often that usual and youll make at least 'part' of him happy  ;)
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Re: Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
Reply #5 on: April 23, 2004, 09:42:32 PM
From a non-pianistic point of view, I don't think there's anything wrong with telling someone who just happens to be examining you that you're a fan.

Remember to smile! ^_^

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just show him a little extra cleavage, and bend over more often that usual and youll make at least 'part' of him happy  ;)


Eh..in the 21st century, examiners don't have to be male, do they?
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Re: Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
Reply #6 on: April 25, 2004, 02:31:15 PM
Ok, Clare, I decided to come back and give you a serious answer.

Yes, you may compliment your examiner on his piano prowess. However, there is a way to do it and several ways not to do it.

I am now going to tell you about the structure of a compliment.

Consider this:

You invite someone for a nice meal at your home, a meal you spend a lot of time and expertise preparing. At the end of the meal the guest says:

-      Oh, That was delicious! What a nice meal you prepared!

This is probably what everyone unthinkingly does. Would you feel satisfied with that sort of compliment? Or would you feel a bit of an anticlimax, as if the person was “just saying it”?

Now consider this different response from another guest:

-      I noticed that you used pine seeds in the spinach dish. They were roasted, were they not? I could tell by the enhanced flavour. And their crunchiness complemented very well the mushiness of the spinach. And I was wondering how you got the roast beef to be pink in the middle like that. How do you know when to get it of the heat?

I am sure you will agree that this response is much more satisfying then the one from the first guest. Interestingly enough, the second guest at no moment tells you if he liked the food, or if he thought the meal was good.

The difference is that the second guest is showing appreciation: his comments show that he paid attention and recognised the work you went through.

So , the structure of effective compliments is not to use vague adjectives that say nothing, but simply to describe back to the person you want to compliment in as precise way as you can manage, what they did. You see, complimenting people in this very effective way demands a lot of effort on your part. You cannot just gobble on the food and say “this is nice”. You must actually appreciate the food and inquire of yourself, what is it that makes this food special?

And if you avoid using any positive adjectives at all (as the second guest did), you will not only get the response you wish (the cook will be very pleased, I assure you), as no one can accuse you of sycophantic behaviour (as you actually never complimented the cook: you simply described back to him what he was already doing).

I would strongly suggest that you spend a week practising this form of compliment (if you are not used to it) with your friends/family – an d observing the amazing results – before actually trying it in your exam, so it becomes second nature and it does not sound artificial.

In fact I would suggest that you never again use the first form of compliment (it is not effective anyway) and from now on just use the second.

(This is what comes from feeling guilty about pulling your leg in my first post) :-[

Best wishes,
Bernhard.
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Re: Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
Reply #7 on: April 27, 2004, 06:31:28 AM
OK. So I'll leave the gold-leafed album of devotion at home, then.
Thanks, Bernhard. As per usual, you've helped a lot. I promise to not be all gushy. I'm still tossing up as to whether I will say anything or not. Maybe I'll leave it to the end and see whether I need redeeming after the exam.  :-[ ;)
Um, and I hope my piano playing is a tad better than my cleavage, of which there isn't much to speak of. I could do stacks of bending, though. Hair tossing, also. I've got lots of hair to toss.
Jeff, I'd better not say who the examiner (who, yes, is a male) is since I'm already using my real name on this here board. If someone gets wind of this thread, and who knows who I am, I'll be even more screwed than before.   :-X

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Re: Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
Reply #8 on: April 29, 2004, 09:00:27 PM
You should get a good mark only if you deserve it clare...you shouldn't think like a prostitute...just do your best in life and you will do well
Tommy

Offline Clare

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Re: Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
Reply #9 on: May 02, 2004, 04:54:50 AM
Don't worry. I was only kidding. I'd never really do any of those things in a million years.

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Re: Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
Reply #10 on: June 03, 2004, 01:09:05 PM
i am sure examiners do have a lot of candidates to flatter them all the time. all of us has thought about doing that! thank god just a few of us have done it! :)
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Re: Is it wrong to flatter the examiner?
Reply #11 on: June 04, 2004, 06:49:58 AM
if it's right before you play, yes, it is wrong.  
at any other time, it's fine.
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