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Offline Antnee

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Gimme some lovin'
on: April 23, 2004, 10:36:39 PM
What would be some ideal pieces to imoress someone of the opposite sex if the situation ever arose.   ;)
Should it bring them to tears, awe them, or just really impress them. Hey it's not like we don't all want to know...  ;)  
-I think a couple good ones would be chopin's etude no. 3 op. 10 would be a good one to hit them emotionally. To show off maybe liszt's second rhapsody. What else??

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #1 on: April 24, 2004, 01:50:37 AM
Rachmaninoff's 4th Prelude Op. 23, in my unscientifically backed opinion, is rather perfect for this.

Or his Moment Musicaux No. 5, but that isn't quite so nice.

Some Scarlatti Sonatas are nice in the respect that they create a simple, carefree atmosphere. Sometimes you don't want to approach people with a great deal of heavy emotions.

But I'm a guy, and it's a bit silly to generalize to this extent. The perfect piece will really depend on who's listening. Maybe they'll find whole-tone music worthy of swooning to, you never know.  :)
"I always make sure that the lid over the keyboard is open before I start to play." --  Artur Schnabel, after being asked for the secret of piano playing.

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #2 on: April 24, 2004, 03:21:22 AM
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What would be some ideal pieces to imoress someone of the opposite sex if the situation ever arose.   ;)
Should it bring them to tears, awe them, or just really impress them. Hey it's not like we don't all want to know...  ;)  
-I think a couple good ones would be chopin's etude no. 3 op. 10 would be a good one to hit them emotionally. To show off maybe liszt's second rhapsody. What else??

-Tony-


Op. 10 No. 3 - No
Moarceaux de Fantasie, Elegie - Yes.

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #3 on: April 24, 2004, 05:52:57 AM
Liebestraume No 3 was basically meant to be a love piece, though it is extremely overplayed, so it's your choice. On the otherhand, its romantic, and many have heard it, and many people like well known songs, that is, most non-pianists ;). Or you always try composing :p! Maybe a Chopin Nocturne could fair pretty nicely.

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #4 on: April 25, 2004, 12:18:26 AM
Girls typically don't like loud music with lots of strepitoso.  chosse something with a beautiful melody------you know what? the first thing you should do is be in touch with what kind of music they like...
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Reply #5 on: April 25, 2004, 01:37:06 AM
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Liebestraume No 3 was basically meant to be a love piece...many people like well known songs...

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #6 on: April 25, 2004, 10:22:11 AM
I think the most impessionable piece would be from a style that the person likes, if you happen to know it.  If you don't have any idea, what type of music they listen to, something romantic and pretty I think would catch their attention more than a loud fast piece.  I think in general, "most" (don't take it the wrong way) males are not classified as being the feely, sensitive types. So any music that made you come across this way would surely be noticed.

.....of course if you're trying to catch the eye of a female who happens to be a concert pianist, you might have trouble finding a piece to impress her with.....then you'd just have to rely upon your charming personality!!!! ;)

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #7 on: April 25, 2004, 11:12:40 AM
Ah, the real reason guys play the piano. ;D

I don't know why but a couple of amatuer pianists who do not commit to playing the piano say "Moonlight sonata".  I don't know if that's true but it seems to work for them, or worked for them.  If that's true, I should practice that movement.  If it's not, then I'll just neglect it.


But it really depends on the girl.  IF she plays any kind of musical instrument to an adequate degree, then pick one melody that's beautiful and recognizable and then play it as beautifully as possible!  If you play it like a dozen hamsters are on the keyboard, then you'll only scare her away or perhaps cause her to be sympathetic, which is the best you can hope for. :-/
I'm just kidding.

But I'd second DonJuan.

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #8 on: April 25, 2004, 02:12:10 PM
Don’t fall for it. This idea that if you play the piano well, it will get you a date is just a scheme to make you practise.

Women are only impressed by piano playing on a very superficial level. Anyway, they will never put up with the amount of practice you will need to do to impress them: they want total attention.

If you want to impress woman, get a black American Express Credit card, and a nice convertible. It is a far surer way.

If you think I am cynical, educate yourself by having a look at:

https://www.intellectualwhores.com/

(the word sleepers in the above site should be replaced by wh**es - replace the “**” by “or” to gain access. There is an automatic censor on this site)

By the way, this subject has already been approached somewhere on the forum (sorry, I could not find where), and several lady members gave their opinions (if you are still interested).


Best wishes,
Bernhard.
The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. (Hunter Thompson)

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #9 on: April 25, 2004, 03:20:36 PM
It depends on the person you're playing for. Whether s/he is into classical music or not. I can't really tell because I play piano myself, but some good pieces I think would be:
Rach Moments Musicaux
Saint Saens, arr. by Godowsky - Le cygne
Glinka, arr. by Balakirev - The lark

Don't expect to score a date with it though... And anyway I think you will only have the "desired effect" on ppl who play an instrument themselves because they won't be impressed on a mere superficial level.
As for me, I'm more impressed by good playing by good musicians than a pimp with 10 creditcards driving a convertible  :P

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #10 on: April 25, 2004, 09:24:16 PM
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Don’t fall for it. This idea that if you play the piano well, it will get you a date is just a scheme to make you practise.

Women are only impressed by piano playing on a very superficial level. Anyway, they will never put up with the amount of practice you will need to do to impress them: they want total attention.

If you want to impress woman, get a black American Express Credit card, and a nice convertible. It is a far surer way.

If you think I am cynical, educate yourself by having a look at:

https://www.intellectualwhores.com/

(the word sleepers in the above site should be replaced by wh**es - replace the “**” by “or” to gain access. There is an automatic censor on this site)

By the way, this subject has already been approached somewhere on the forum (sorry, I could not find where), and several lady members gave their opinions (if you are still interested).


Best wishes,
Bernhard.

Bernhard, I don't know what kind of girls you go for, but...
I-I believe an intelligent, romantic girl would take beautiful music over money.  Because I have seen many girls only interested in the superficial aspects of piano, I know where you are coming from.    
However, a girl with class- worth playing for- just may be worth everything you have...
donjuan

p.s. that's an interesting site ;)

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #11 on: April 25, 2004, 10:35:32 PM
Maybe something with a nice melody and virtuosity? For example, Chopin etudes Op. 25 Nos. 1 and 2. I don't know how well they work, but I think that's the kind of music that appeals the opposite sex most ;D

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #12 on: April 26, 2004, 04:26:41 AM
Bernhard, I have visited intellectualwhores.com before and it seems just about right.  Kinda funny, too, about the theory of why Beethoven wrote the "Fur Elise" piece.  "Fur Elise" supposely translates to "For Eliza" and the theory about that piece is related to this thread:

Apparently, Beethoven titled it "for Eliza" because he had a young female student or acquaintance that he wanted to bang but could not so he titled it after her to get her attention so he could  ***** her.  But before he met Eliza, he had already written that piece to bang other young women.  But with Eliza, nothing he did seemed to get her attention.  So finally, he had it publised named after her.

Did Beethoven ever get to have her?  Who knows.

Moral of this story?  If you play the piano to get laid, you're wasting your time.  If you compose a piece to get laid, that's time well spent. ;D

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #13 on: April 27, 2004, 12:00:43 AM
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p.s. that's an interesting site ;)


If you liked that site, have a look on this one:

https://maddox.xmission.com/

Best wishes,
Bernhard.
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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #14 on: April 27, 2004, 01:11:30 AM
Hi Bernhard,
I have friends interested in that site.  Personally, I don't think much of it.   I find it kind of demoralizing... ???
donjuan

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #15 on: April 27, 2004, 02:12:24 AM
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Hi Bernhard,
I have friends interested in that site.  Personally, I don't think much of it.   I find it kind of demoralizing... ???
donjuan


So is the other one... ;)
The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. (Hunter Thompson)

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #16 on: April 27, 2004, 12:54:09 PM
That other site is funny.  I've seen it before and it was good for a chuckle.  I'm laughing just thinking about the comments about the children's drawings. ;D

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #17 on: April 29, 2004, 04:02:31 AM
Uh, I don't think there is a standard piece that gets chicks. Mate, all chicks are slightly different. Some would prefer you to play Smoke on the Water.
I think the best thing to do for the girl who has no clue is to play a real tear-jerker, preferably in C# minor, and then say, "I wrote it myself." It helps if you actually did write it yourself.
For the girl who has a clue, play anything well.
For me, please play Chopin's nocturne 7.

Thanks.

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #18 on: April 29, 2004, 06:22:56 PM
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Bernhard, I have visited intellectualwhores.com before and it seems just about right.  Kinda funny, too, about the theory of why Beethoven wrote the "Fur Elise" piece.  "Fur Elise" supposely translates to "For Eliza" and the theory about that piece is related to this thread:

Apparently, Beethoven titled it "for Eliza" because he had a young female student or acquaintance that he wanted to bang but could not so he titled it after her to get her attention so he could  ***** her.  But before he met Eliza, he had already written that piece to bang other young women.  But with Eliza, nothing he did seemed to get her attention.  So finally, he had it publised named after her.

Did Beethoven ever get to have her?  Who knows.

Moral of this story?  If you play the piano to get laid, you're wasting your time.  If you compose a piece to get laid, that's time well spent. ;D


Also apparently, Elise is a misprint resulting of a bad calygraphy. The real name on the score, so I've read, seems to be Thérèze. Since she has even a Sonata dedicated to her, it's not that impossible.

Alex

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #19 on: May 01, 2004, 11:03:59 AM
So her name is Therese.  For Therese.  Isn't that the nickname of one of his sonata's?  His opus 78 sonata in F#?

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #20 on: May 01, 2004, 07:07:58 PM
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So her name is Therese.  For Therese.  Isn't that the nickname of one of his sonata's?  His opus 78 sonata in F#?


Fur Elise was composed for one of Beethoven’s students, Therese Malfatti. She was the daughter of Beethoven’s doctor (Beethoven had a string of medical specialists looking at his ear problem over the years. Malfatti was one of the last ones). When he started teaching her he was over 40, she was 17. It did not prevent him falling heads over heels in love with her (he was always doing this). He allegedly composed Fur Elise at her request – not being a particularly accomplished pianist, he made the piece as simple as possible. Apparently Beethoven believed for a while that his feelings were reciprocated, but it turned out that nothing of the sort had ever crossed  Therese’s mind.  In fact she married a Baron Drosdick soon afterwards.  :'(

That’s when Beethoven added the second part (so that she – and Richard Clayderman - could not play it). ;)

It has no opus number because it was never published in his life time. In fact, in all probability it was never intended for publication.
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Re: Gimme some spiteful lovin'
Reply #21 on: May 02, 2004, 01:39:30 PM
Ha ha.  So if the girls you are trying to impress with one of your own compositions for her doesn't work because she's in love with someone else, write the music so difficult that she can't play it.  ;D

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #22 on: May 02, 2004, 05:25:51 PM
I did a report on Beethoven a few years ago, and the source I used said that "Elise" was simply a term of endearment (something like "My dearest honey bun), not really anyone's name.

Support bacteria. They're the only type of culture some people have.

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #23 on: May 02, 2004, 06:13:56 PM
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I did a report on Beethoven a few years ago, and the source I used said that "Elise" was simply a term of endearment (something like "My dearest honey bun), not really anyone's name.



No, it is "Fur Therese". But as aileigc said a few posts above, Beethoven's caligraphy was terrible, hence "Elise".
The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. (Hunter Thompson)

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #24 on: May 03, 2004, 11:42:09 PM
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But as aileigc said a few posts above, Beethoven's caligraphy was terrible, hence "Elise".



It sure was,
   Look at his original Appassionata manuscript!  :o



Good Lord!!

-Tony-

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #25 on: May 04, 2004, 01:13:58 AM
Poor Publisher...

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #26 on: May 04, 2004, 12:02:48 PM
Holy Manuscripts!  That was good for a minutes of laughs... then a few more minutes of subdued chuckles.

I feel sorry for the guy he paid to write it out neatly to send to the publishers.

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #27 on: May 04, 2004, 02:10:15 PM
Actually, that manuscript makes us wonder if it was really Beethoven or the publisher who wrote the music. It's almost impossible to tell which notes are there  ;D
Now, seriously, the guy's a genius. Geniuses are allowed to do these kinds of things ;-)

Even more seriously, I love his music.

Alex

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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #28 on: May 04, 2004, 10:47:38 PM

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Now, seriously, the guy's a genius. Geniuses are allowed to do these kinds of things


Exactly, Beethoven was probably unorganized in almost all things besides the one thing that mattered most...

His music.  ;D

-Tony-
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Re: Gimme some lovin'
Reply #29 on: May 04, 2004, 11:09:20 PM
Now compare that to the beauty that is Ravel's handwriting:




;D
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