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Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement (Read 5397 times)

Offline bach_ko

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hi this is my recording of Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" on youtube...

please give comments thanks ;)


piano sheet music of Sonata 26 (Les Adieux)


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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux"
«Reply #1 on: February 11, 2008, 07:09:14 AM »
Hi bach_ko,

The introduction was moving and very well done.  You had some exqusite moments throughout.  3:36 was well punctuated.  I think you have quite the talent.

Thanks for posting.  :)
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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux"
«Reply #2 on: February 11, 2008, 04:17:18 PM »
thanks for ur compliments... any negative comments? personally i think it still can be better... so i really need harsh comment from u guys...

can the tempo be a little faster?

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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement
«Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 07:29:15 AM »
Yes.   ;)

I like a faster Les Adieux.
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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement
«Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 08:51:04 AM »
Yes, I try to avoid long, drawn-out goodbyes.  ;)
Durch alle Töne tönet
Im bunten Erdentraum
Ein leiser Ton gezogen
Für den, der heimlich lauschet.

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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement
«Reply #5 on: March 14, 2010, 03:53:00 AM »
Just edited the post (there was only a link of my video last time, and now the video is shown) ;)

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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement
«Reply #6 on: March 14, 2010, 09:14:15 AM »
I think after the Hammerklavier, this is one of Beethoven's most difficult and problematic compositions.  You played it very well.  I think the beginning is too soft.  You really have to sing out that "lebewohl".  And always in a diminuendo.  That's why you can't attack it too piano.  And whenever that leitmotiv comes around, always observe the same phrasing.  The runs should also be in the same line of "lebewohl" - always disappearing over the horizon.

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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement
«Reply #7 on: March 14, 2010, 09:38:09 AM »
This is kind of funny.  It seems like you've managed to avoid the problem most performances of this piece have (knowing just what the hell to bring out in the voicing, which I think you did a really good job with), but I think you were too conservative in dynamic expression and tempo.

In regard to Birba's comment about wanting the introduction played more forcefully, I'd tend to disagree with that.
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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement
«Reply #8 on: March 14, 2010, 12:59:04 PM »
Did I say "forcefully"?  Hmm...

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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement
«Reply #9 on: March 14, 2010, 04:46:58 PM »
I think after the Hammerklavier, this is one of Beethoven's most difficult and problematic compositions.  You played it very well.  I think the beginning is too soft.  You really have to sing out that "lebewohl".  And always in a diminuendo.  That's why you can't attack it too piano.  And whenever that leitmotiv comes around, always observe the same phrasing.  The runs should also be in the same line of "lebewohl" - always disappearing over the horizon.


Thanks for your constructive suggestion~!  ;D but still, I have to tell you that, this piano is not easy to 'sing' as you think.

This is kind of funny.  It seems like you've managed to avoid the problem most performances of this piece have (knowing just what the hell to bring out in the voicing, which I think you did a really good job with), but I think you were too conservative in dynamic expression and tempo.

In regard to Birba's comment about wanting the introduction played more forcefully, I'd tend to disagree with that.

too conservative in dynamic expression and tempo as in how? further elaborate please. :) Do you mean that I was being too faithful to the authentic playing of Beethoven's music? LOL Mezzo forte - Cressendo - Pianissimo (sudden change) as how he intended it to be? What about tempo? I should do some rubatos at certain places?

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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement
«Reply #10 on: March 15, 2010, 01:53:20 AM »
too conservative in dynamic expression and tempo as in how? further elaborate please. :) Do you mean that I was being too faithful to the authentic playing of Beethoven's music? LOL Mezzo forte - Cressendo - Pianissimo (sudden change) as how he intended it to be? What about tempo? I should do some rubatos at certain places?

If my suggestions aren't useful to you, then I have no idea why an elaboration would be.  And, no, none of your guesses are correct.
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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement
«Reply #11 on: March 15, 2010, 02:44:34 AM »
If my suggestions aren't useful to you, then I have no idea why an elaboration would be.  And, no, none of your guesses are correct.
hahahaha... That's the reason i need more elaboration on that. :) cos when you brought out the term 'conservative' people would probably refer it to some performance practise issues, other wise what else could it be? but it is ok if you are unable to further explain.

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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement
«Reply #12 on: March 15, 2010, 05:34:16 AM »
hahahaha... That's the reason i need more elaboration on that. :) cos when you brought out the term 'conservative' people would probably refer it to some performance practise issues, other wise what else could it be? but it is ok if you are unable to further explain.





Oh wait, let me be more specific.  Forgot that's what you wanted.





You're aware I said I liked the performance, right?  I don't normally say that, especially with this piece.  What I meant was that your performance is more boring than it should be.  Your dynamic range is next-to-nothing, as well as the fact that your tempo is slower than what most people (including myself) like.  This all makes it more boring than it should be.  You seem to have the difficult properties of the piece down, but you play like too much of a wimp to make it exciting.  Instead, you get a very dry, but accurate, presentation.  All the subtlety in the world will never make a performance very interesting to an audience.  I'm quite sure this is how most anyone would have interpreted my original comment, by the way.
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Re: Beethoven's sonata no 26 in Eb major - " Les Adieux" 1st movement
«Reply #14 on: March 15, 2010, 05:42:10 AM »




Oh wait, let me be more specific.  Forgot that's what you wanted.





You're aware I said I liked the performance, right?  I don't normally say that, especially with this piece.  What I meant was that your performance is more boring than it should be.  Your dynamic range is next-to-nothing, as well as the fact that your tempo is slower than what most people (including myself) like.  This all makes it more boring than it should be.  You seem to have the difficult properties of the piece down, but you play like too much of a wimp to make it exciting.  Instead, you get a very dry, but accurate, presentation.  All the subtlety in the world will never make a performance very interesting to an audience.  I'm quite sure this is how most anyone would have interpreted my original comment, by the way.

OH i see~ that was what you mean by 'conservative'.. LOL.. ok  ;)