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Offline hodi

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I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
on: February 19, 2008, 04:49:36 PM
i just hate them!
why !? why the composer had to compose such a beautiful movement and bind it with other not-so-good movements?!
example are medtner's sonata in f minor op.5!
the first movement is amazing
and the rest - so so...
so  if i want to study this sonata i have to play 3 movements that i don't really like!

which piano sonatas you "hate" beacuse of this?

Offline i heart xenakis

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #1 on: February 19, 2008, 10:43:07 PM
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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 11:39:50 PM
Clementi seems to have done this on a few occasions.

Great 1st movment then runs out of ideas a little.

Even worse are sonatas with no beautiful movements. Schumann/Brahms etc............

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 05:09:21 PM
middle movement of prokofiev 5th sonata is great, but perhaps the outer movements aren't suposd to be that beautiful
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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #4 on: February 20, 2008, 06:04:56 PM
Clementi seems to have done this on a few occasions.

Great 1st movment then runs out of ideas a little.

Even worse are sonatas with no beautiful movements. Schumann/Brahms etc............

Thal
All the Brahms and Schumann sonatas are wikid.

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #5 on: February 20, 2008, 06:15:39 PM
All the Brahms and Schumann sonatas are wikid.

They are wikid cool  :D
If it doesn't work - try something different!

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #6 on: February 20, 2008, 08:53:49 PM
They are wikid cool  :D

They are wickedly overplayed and overrated.

Offline netzow

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #7 on: February 21, 2008, 12:32:16 AM
In general I just hate sonatas which have bad movements in general even if two movements are good. Example Schumman and Schubert Sonatas for example. I tend to just skip the "boring" movements because they are too bland. The contrast between the good movement and the bad makes it even worse.

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #8 on: February 21, 2008, 01:29:42 AM
Also Prokofiev No. 6


I've never been particularly thrilled with the 2nd or 3rd movements.


Same with Prokofiev No. 2, although only the third movement really feels like a letdown that time.

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 03:35:31 PM

Even worse are sonatas with no beautiful movements. Schumann/Brahms etc............

Thal

my future schumann circle recitals will be solely dedicated to thal.

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 05:36:08 PM
my future schumann circle recitals will be solely dedicated to thal.


I is indeed flattered with that and "circle" would be the correct description.

If I was attending a Schumann recital, i would walk in, turn around and walk straight back out again.

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #11 on: February 21, 2008, 08:26:16 PM
There is only one beautiful movement in : scriabin's sonatas 5 to 10, Liszt sonata, Prokofiev third sonata, Berg sonata and many others. You know, those second-class composers could not allways be has inspired as Haydn or Mozart.  ::)

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #12 on: February 21, 2008, 08:46:43 PM
The Godowsky sonata has a sublime first movement. The rest are not necessarily bad, but seem dwarfed in scale and conception. Sort of like how the Chaconne in BWV 1004 eclipses the rest of the piece.

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #13 on: February 21, 2008, 09:32:43 PM
There is only one beautiful movement in : scriabin's sonatas 5 to 10, Liszt sonata, Prokofiev third sonata, Berg sonata and many others. You know, those second-class composers could not allways be has inspired as Haydn or Mozart.  ::)

I hope you are kidding with us? The question was obviously about Sonatas with more than one mvt. in wich only one mvt. was beautifull. Not about single mvt. sonatas.

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #14 on: February 21, 2008, 11:03:35 PM
Wait- does the Liszt Sonata have 1 or 3 movements?  I see it marked differently from time to time.

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #15 on: February 22, 2008, 12:06:46 AM
i just hate them!
why !? why the composer had to compose such a beautiful movement and bind it with other not-so-good movements?!
example are medtner's sonata in f minor op.5!
the first movement is amazing
and the rest - so so...
so  if i want to study this sonata i have to play 3 movements that i don't really like!

which piano sonatas you "hate" beacuse of this?
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I actually think the second movement of Medtner's op.5 even better than the first!!

That aside, I'd suggest Glazunov's B flat minor sonata (is that no.1?) as a contender for the category you speak of: first two movements really great, then a bit of a tedious last movement ...

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #16 on: February 22, 2008, 01:21:38 AM
I is indeed flattered with that and "circle" would be the correct description.

If I was attending a Schumann recital, i would walk in, turn around and walk straight back out again.

Thal

that coz u busted to the looh, me friend...'N as da story continues, u'd rush back in, listen to da hole recital with AWE! n following dat be the 3 weeks worth of repentence, all infused by the spirit of new enlightenment, which eventually gives birth to a greater-spirited self...

dignity, love and joy.

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #17 on: February 22, 2008, 03:12:09 AM
that coz u busted to the looh, me friend...'N as da story continues, u'd rush back in, listen to da hole recital with AWE! n following dat be the 3 weeks worth of repentence, all infused by the spirit of new enlightenment, which eventually gives birth to a greater-spirited self...

I'd randomly probably walk out on a Schumann recital too.  I could maybe stand like ONE of his better works like Op. 9 or 12, but any more than that and I'm gone >>

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #18 on: February 22, 2008, 03:22:41 AM
I hope you are kidding with us? The question was obviously about Sonatas with more than one mvt. in wich only one mvt. was beautifull. Not about single mvt. sonatas.

Duh. Of course I'm kidding with you.

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #19 on: February 22, 2008, 05:09:19 AM
I'd randomly probably walk out on a Schumann recital too.  I could maybe stand like ONE of his better works like Op. 9 or 12, but any more than that and I'm gone >>

didn't xenakis secretly LOOOVE schumann?
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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #20 on: February 22, 2008, 05:11:23 AM
didn't xenakis secretly LOOOVE schumann?

I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Stockhausen loved Mozart, so why not?

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Re: I hate piano sonatas with only 1 beautiful movement!
Reply #21 on: February 22, 2008, 05:29:17 AM
There is only one beautiful movement in : scriabin's sonatas 5 to 10, Liszt sonata, Prokofiev third sonata, Berg sonata and many others. You know, those second-class composers could not allways be has inspired as Haydn or Mozart.  ::)

I have to say, Haydn and Mozart aren't always so inspiring...

(especially Haydn.. though I'm not particularly fond of Haydn in general...)
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