All black key arpeggios

[djbrak]

The F#/Gb Major and D#/Eb minor arpeggios are all black keys.  
For F#/Gb Major, I first used RH 123 123 123 123 1235(and reverse), but then I started using 212 412 412 4124...
Can anyone suggest a good fingering technique for this one?
Thanks,
-Renato

[comme_le_vent]

for both i use 1235RH and 5421LH, i only use different fingerings for different inversions. ie for asharp csharp f sharp id ise RH 124 instead.

use whatever fingering suits your hand best.

[faulty_damper]

I never even thought about it until you mentioned it.  With the F# arppy, the 3 to 1 shift is pretty big.  Too big a leap to play smoothly.

But the 212 4 seems to work.  But I don't have answers.

[comme_le_vent]

its perfectly smooth to me - same as with c major

[thomas_williams]

I have always played the G-flat major/E-flat minor arpeggios with the same fingering as C major/A minor.  I think that is standard.

[ayahav]

 Too big a leap to play smoothly.

If you play thumb-over you shouldn't have a problem with it.

[janice]

 If you play thumb-over you shouldn't have a problem with it.

What do you mean?  Can you explain in detail?  Thanks!

[comme_le_vent]

dont worry, bernhard will come and post some links - just to boost his collosal post count!

gotta love his style.....

[bernhard]

I hate to disapoint people's expectations.

So, here are some threads that deal with thumb over:


https://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=perf;action=display;num=1072372668

https://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=stud;action=display;num=1052872232

https://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=stud;action=display;num=1067332140


Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[comme_le_vent]

do you have to hunt down each thread to get the links every single time?

or do you have an organised table of reference for every link?

or do you actually memorise each individual link by rote memory? haha!  

[rlefebvr]

I have read every thread on thumb over and I still don't get it.
Someone will have to show me or I will have to find illustrations.

[comme_le_vent]

i havent even tried thumb over - it just happens naturally - it just means in high speed the thumb moves little or not at all - and the only hand movement is lateral displacement.

i can play VERY fast , so i know what im talkin about.

[bernhard]

I have read every thread on thumb over and I still don't get it.
Someone will have to show me or I will have to find illustrations.

Really?

What exactly is it that you don’t get? (But I agree that describing movement in writing is almost impossible – getting someone to demonstrate it for you is far more desirable).

Try this with C major (RH): play CDE (123) as a chord and then FGAB (1234) again as a chord. Do this up and down the keyboard for three or four octaves. Notice how the fingers do not move, instead the whole hand is displaced to the next chord position.

Now keep this “chord” movement going, but instead of playing CDE as a chord, play one note after the other. Displace the hand to FGAB and again play each finger in turn. There! You just played the C major scale without passing the “thumb under” There will be a gap in the sound from the E to the F, but this is a way to tackle very fast scales, not slow ones (for slow legato scales you need thumb under). At speed the gap will not be there due to the mechanics of the piano (the next hammer will hit the string before the damper of the previous one has stopped it ringing).

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[bernhard]

do you have to hunt down each thread to get the links every single time?

or do you have an organised table of reference for every link?

or do you actually memorise each individual link by rote memory? haha!  

I read the whole of piano forum every night for fun.  

Also I don't have a life.

And I read "The Art of Memory" by Frances Yates, so now I too can do a Pico de la Mirandola.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[faulty_damper]

If you play thumb-over you shouldn't have a problem with it.

But that's for playing fast.  It doesn't work very effectively played slowly.