Fantaisie Impromptu question/s

[aewanko]

Is it true that this piece had 2 versions?
Is it also true that most pianists play the first version?

im a bit confused right now

[bench warmer]

Do you have a  source for this?

If I have ever heard this hypothesis before it has long been forgotten.

[Petter]

Do you have a  source for this?

If I have ever heard this hypothesis before it has long been forgotten.

I f you D/L the piano street version it says "First version, copy for Marie Lichtenstein". Whatever that implies. Possibly that Chopin was a gold digger.

[faulty_damper]

The posthumously published edition of this impromptu was prepared by one of his students, Fontana.  It is quite different to the actual autograph.  Some notable differences are that it is simplified and more technically accessible (too easy, even for Chopin to write); inner voices are altered, notes are deleted, expressive markings altered, et al.  Any pianist who is well-familiarized with Chopin's musical and technical oeuvre will note that the Fontana edition is not what Chopin would have written - it doesn't feel genuine nor does it sound genuine.

Most pianist play the Fontana edition because it was the first and most widely available and it is easier to play.  Also, most pianists are unaware that they are using the Fontana edition as they are ignorant of any other edition.

Fontana edited most of Chopin's works that were published posthumously including his Op.69 Waltzes, which also differ from the autograph.  The B minor Waltz (of this same opus) adds an inner voice which adds to the texture and actually sounds better than the autograph.

The Autogrpah score was composed for Madame la Baronne d'Este.

[jordan christopher]

Guys did you know that chopin regretted in composong this piece???!!!!!!!  ???actually before he died he told/asked his student to burn this piece but his student did not burn it...
Well, i dont know the reasons behind why chopin hated this impromptu (which really sounds beautiful) hahahaah......... anyway the inbetween notes are so hard to play...!!!!!!!!!!!

[tanman]

hey, once you guys are done with FI. you should really learn OC...

*runs and hides...

[pianisten1989]

Yes, there are two versions of this, but only slight differences. As someone already said: He hated this impromptu. I've even heard he stole the theme from someone else, and that's why he hated it. It wasn't even published until after his death.

[aewanko]

The posthumously published edition of this impromptu was prepared by one of his students, Fontana.  It is quite different to the actual autograph.  Some notable differences are that it is simplified and more technically accessible (too easy, even for Chopin to write); inner voices are altered, notes are deleted, expressive markings altered, et al.  Any pianist who is well-familiarized with Chopin's musical and technical oeuvre will note that the Fontana edition is not what Chopin would have written - it doesn't feel genuine nor does it sound genuine.

Most pianist play the Fontana edition because it was the first and most widely available and it is easier to play.  Also, most pianists are unaware that they are using the Fontana edition as they are ignorant of any other edition.

Fontana edited most of Chopin's works that were published posthumously including his Op.69 Waltzes, which also differ from the autograph.  The B minor Waltz (of this same opus) adds an inner voice which adds to the texture and actually sounds better than the autograph.

The Autogrpah score was composed for Madame la Baronne d'Este.

In other words, a commission?

[birba]

This all seems like much ado about nothing.  I dont think they would even be able to tell the difference.

[invictious]

This is the piece to learn after learning Fur Elise..

















*runs*


To be honest, I am actually learning this piece after returning to piano from a year's break....

[birba]

It doesnt seem like the right piece to take up after a year's absence!  Do something more amitious.  Even op 10, no. 3 would be better than that.  That's actually a lovely piece in its entirety.  I know you can't argue taste, but that is SO hackneyed Chopin.  It'd be enough to turn ME off to the piano. 
You know what?  Why don't you take up Mendelssohn's Rondo capriccioso?  Its popular, not that difficult, and fun to play.

[thierry13]

I've even heard he stole the theme from someone else, and that's why he hated it.

Well he didn't steal the actual theme, but one of the runs is exactly the same one that you find in moonlight sonata mvt 3, at the end. Not that it is the most important part of the theme, but still...

[quantum]

One might wonder the circumstances of the FI's composition.  Was Chopin randomly improvising during a time when he was studying the Moonlight?  Maybe he needed a "lick" in C# minor going downwards and this Beethoven thing was in his fingers. 

[arensky]

One might wonder the circumstances of the FI's composition.  Was Chopin randomly improvising during a time when he was studying the Moonlight?  Maybe he needed a "lick" in C# minor going downwards and this Beethoven thing was in his fingers. 

Here's another theory. A search for Moscheles will uncover more information on this topic. Seems that Freddy was absorbing things subconciously, but caught himself before publishing.

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,19481.msg211453.html#msg211453

[tangy111]

Guys did you know that chopin regretted in composong this piece???!!!!!!!  ???actually before he died he told/asked his student to burn this piece but his student did not burn it...
Well, i dont know the reasons behind why chopin hated this impromptu (which really sounds beautiful) hahahaah......... anyway the inbetween notes are so hard to play...!!!!!!!!!!!

Quite simply because he thoughtit was too similar to beethoven's moonlight sonata