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Offline 8426

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Recording of Mozart request
« on: June 03, 2008, 12:31:42 AM »
Does anyone know where i can hear the mozart sonata k. 627. i can't seem to find it. thank you

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Offline slobone

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 01:40:37 AM »
Does anyone know where i can hear the mozart sonata k. 627. i can't seem to find it. thank you
If this is a prank it's a pretty lame one...

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 01:59:24 AM »
I believe Glenn Gould recorded it during a live performance in Decemeber of 1982. It was later distributed on the Concert Artists Label as part of a CD titled "Joyce Hatto and her Imaginery Friends."
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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #3 on: June 03, 2008, 01:23:35 PM »
I believe Glenn Gould recorded it during a live performance in Decemeber of 1982. It was later distributed on the Concert Artists Label as part of a CD titled "Joyce Hatto and her Imaginery Friends."





glenn gould died on the 4th of october 1982! unless if it was his ghost u saw, u should buy a new pair of spectacles.

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #4 on: June 03, 2008, 06:18:29 PM »
i am sorry if this is the wrong place to ask for recording. where should i ask for them? and also isn't there like a universal site that has most or all recordings?

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #5 on: June 03, 2008, 06:45:40 PM »
glenn gould died on the 4th of october 1982! unless if it was his ghost u saw, u should buy a new pair of spectacles.

Since the last Kochel number in Mozart's catalog is the Requiem K. 626, I assumed, like Slobone, that the request by 8426 was a prank.

I decided to respond tongue-in-cheek by saying there was a recording by Gould made in December of '82 (I know he died 2 months earlier and, BTW, he stopped performing publically years before that.) I also mentioned it was available on the Concert Artists Label CD "Joyce Hatto and her Imaginery Friends" which is obviously another tongue-in-cheek reference.

I'm sorry you didn't get the joke. Oh, well.  :'(
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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #6 on: June 03, 2008, 08:05:40 PM »
Since the last Kochel number in Mozart's catalog is the Requiem K. 626, I assumed, like Slobone, that the request by 8426 was a prank.

I decided to respond tongue-in-cheek by saying there was a recording by Gould made in December of '82 (I know he died 2 months earlier and, BTW, he stopped performing publically years before that.) I also mentioned it was available on the Concert Artists Label CD "Joyce Hatto and her Imaginery Friends" which is obviously another tongue-in-cheek reference.

I'm sorry you didn't get the joke. Oh, well.  :'(
Well I thought it was funny, sharon...

Actually, if you Google K627, somebody's written a piece with that name "in the style of Mozart" or something. But I have a feeling that 8426, if he/she isn't putting us on, has just got the number mixed up. Try again, please?

Offline daniloperusina

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #7 on: June 04, 2008, 03:09:17 AM »
8426, I also had to check. There's the ever revising of the Köchel catalouge that causes this confusion. There is a sonata K627 (look it up even here, at pianostreet), sometimes listed as K547a etc..

This sonata is not part of the traditional "Mozart complete pianosonatas" editions. I've never seen it before, so there must be some kind of a story. Is it incomplete? Is there doubt it is by Mozart?

Since it is not part of the canon, you'll probably not find any recordings of it either.

The sonata in Bb, K570, used to be excluded too. In older editions, like pre WWII, you won't find it. It was at that time known only as a violin sonata. Strangely, the violin only doubles the piano here and there, and the piano part is exactly as the now printed piano sonata.

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A little research seems to show that the "K627" is  adapted from a sonata for violin and piano in F major. I can only see the first bars here at pianostreet, and it's basically exactly the same. Violinsonata starts with an Andante, though, but the following Allegro is where the "pianosonata" starts. The violinsonata is K547, so look for a recording of that instead, there should be plenty..

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #8 on: June 04, 2008, 04:09:33 AM »
8426, I also had to check. There's the ever revising of the Köchel catalouge that causes this confusion. There is a sonata K627 (look it up even here, at pianostreet), sometimes listed as K547a etc..

This sonata is not part of the traditional "Mozart complete pianosonatas" editions. I've never seen it before, so there must be some kind of a story. Is it incomplete? Is there doubt it is by Mozart?

Since it is not part of the canon, you'll probably not find any recordings of it either.

The sonata in Bb, K570, used to be excluded too. In older editions, like pre WWII, you won't find it. It was at that time known only as a violin sonata. Strangely, the violin only doubles the piano here and there, and the piano part is exactly as the now printed piano sonata.

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A little research seems to show that the "K627" is  adapted from a sonata for violin and piano in F major. I can only see the first bars here at pianostreet, and it's basically exactly the same. Violinsonata starts with an Andante, though, but the following Allegro is where the "pianosonata" starts. The violinsonata is K547, so look for a recording of that instead, there should be plenty..

yes...that would probably be correct. you see i'm gonna be playing the first movement(allegro, a long with some other pieces)for a competition. my teacher has it in the table of contents,  with the editorial "schirmer". it's listed as sonata #13 there. do you by any chance  know where i could possibly obtain that editorial sheet music? my teacher as i said has only seen it in the table of contents and she only has book 1. also what would be a good allegro movement from a mozart sonata to work on? something technically and mozartly demanding. something that will further help in making music.

Offline slobone

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #9 on: June 04, 2008, 10:55:38 AM »
OK, well the Schirmer edition I have is edited by Epstein, I don't know if that's the only one. The sonatas aren't listed in chronological order for some reason. #13 in volume II is K547a in F major. It's actually a pretty familiar sonata. Is that the one?

They don't list anything with K627.

Offline daniloperusina

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #10 on: June 04, 2008, 11:17:31 AM »
Isn't there a sheet music shop where you live? If you click "piano music" on top of this page you can search Mozart and find it, but you can't print it for free.

I had a quick look in www.schirmer.com but there's no such book in their current catalouge.

Personally, I would advice against studying this sonata. If you look at Neue Mozart Ausgabe (new mozart edition), a sort of authority on the works of Mozart (you can google on that, they publish scores on the web), this sonata is not listed there either. I interpret all this that the sonata is dubious; it could be someone else who "made" a pianosonata from the violinsonata, and for a while it was perhaps thought to be a geuine work by Mozart. If you're a student and you want to study Mozart, you should avoid pieces like that.

Concerning which sonata to study, well, they are all equally good. For a few generations, the first sonatas, K279-284 were considered slightly 'inferior' to the others, and were thought of as more suitable for young students rather than 'advanced' players. Not so anymore, I think. They are a bit different, though, bearing in mind that he was seventeen at the time, and I find claims that "he hadn't yet found his own piano-style" to be true. Compare with sonatas K330-333, for example, where every bar is so strikingly original. Also, at seventeen Mozart was more of a harpsichord player than a piano player, and the first sonatas were arguably more thought of as "harpsichord sonatas". Mozart really discovered the piano, which was very 'new' at this time, slightly later. They are, however, very playable on a piano (probably conceived for both instruments, actually).

Conclusively, I think the four sonatas K330, 331, 332 and 333 are at the very 'heart' of his sonatas, if you will 'the Mozart-Sonata-Idea' distilled into utter perfection! The last sonatas are a bit marked with the sort of calm sadness which is typical of his last years in life (think of the Clarinet Concerto, last Piano Concerto, last three Symphonies, etc), and the K309, 310, 311 with a sort of youthful brilliance, where the A minor K310 stands out as the most amazing achievement among them.

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #11 on: June 04, 2008, 02:28:01 PM »
i'll probably see k. 310. also, when they ask you to play an allegro movement (in the contest) can it be allegro maestoso and allegro marcato and so on?thanks a lot.

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #12 on: June 04, 2008, 04:07:30 PM »
Of course. What they actually want to hear is typically the first or last movement of a Mozart sonata, that is, one of the fast movements. If you would play the last movement of the A minor K310, that would count too, even though it's marked "Presto". Typically, these movements are in sonata-form, rondo-form, sonata-rondo-form.

Exceptions are the sonatas Eb K283, which starts with a slow movement, and A major K331 which starts with an Andante Theme and Variations. This sonata ends with Rondo Alla Turca marked "Allegretto". But that would also count with what they mean with "A sonata Allegro movement".

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #13 on: June 04, 2008, 06:17:37 PM »
Well, if they said "sonata allegro" that usually refers to a movement in "sonata form". That would normally be the first movement, not a rondo.

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #14 on: June 04, 2008, 08:32:25 PM »
I beleive it means "a movement in tempo allegro from a sonata", not "a sonata-form allegro". Actually it was I who made that up, 8426 didn't say what they specified. Anyway, the best to do is of course a fast first movement. By the way, I've also noticed that older editions, from pre WWII and back, usually don't have the sonatas in chronological order. The older ones I have don't have the Köchel numbers either, so I suppose it took some decades before they were widely accepted, which of course also explains why later editions also saw it as more logical to have them in the "right" order. Come to think of it, I probably also have that mystical F major sonata in some older edition.

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #15 on: February 15, 2009, 08:33:39 AM »
Heh. The 3rd movement of this Sonata is almost the same as K.545's rondo, the difference being that it is in F Major, instead of C Major.

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Re: Recording of Mozart request
«Reply #16 on: October 22, 2010, 12:40:10 AM »
The newest cataloguing number for it is K. 547a. K.627 isn't used for it these days.
Currently working on:
*Prelude, Op.23 N.4 (Rachmaninoff)
*Prelude & Fugue in F major, WTC II (Bach)
...not fully decided on what else to start (most likely will be a Liszt, Schubert, or Medtner)...