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Offline synapse

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Help making score
on: June 24, 2008, 12:21:08 PM
If someone could write up a piece of music by ear, please would you add me on MSN messenger at  . It's a blues piano piece in mp3 format that I'd like sheet music for, however no such music exists. Can anyone help me please?

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Re: Help making score
Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 12:25:08 PM
If someone could write up a piece of music by ear, please would you add me on MSN messenger at synapsethereturn@hotmail.co.uk . It's a blues piano piece in mp3 format that I'd like sheet music for, however no such music exists. Can anyone help me please?

Wait... um... if you want sheets for it, does that mean you can read music?

...if you can read music, does that mean you know how to put notes on a score?

...if you can put notes on a score, does that mean you can do this task yourself?

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Re: Help making score
Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 02:29:04 PM
I can't listen to a piece and know what notes are playing, so no. I'm looking for someone who can write up a piece by ear.

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Re: Help making score
Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 02:50:24 PM
That's called "a transcription".

It's VERY time-consuming and the 2 only motivations for someone to transcribe a piece are

1. how deep you're drawn to the piece
2. money


You better transcribe it yourself.

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Re: Help making score
Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 03:04:39 PM
How long is it?  And how complicated?  And do you need exact notes, or just the chords and adjust the inversions yourself?

This makes a lot of difference.  If it were something like Mary Had a Little Lamb I could do it, have done it for some church choir pieces.  And so could you, probably.  Something like a Bach fugue, no way, I wouldn't even try.  But a lead sheet for church?  Easy. 

If speed is a problem there are lots of slowdown programs that don't change the pitch.  I think even Audacity (freeware) can do this. 
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Re: Help making score
Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 03:26:19 PM
That's called "a transcription".

It's VERY time-consuming and the 2 only motivations for someone to transcribe a piece are

1. how deep you're drawn to the piece
2. money


You better transcribe it yourself.

3. to practice transcription

but either way, i severely doubt anyone'll accept this request.

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Re: Help making score
Reply #6 on: June 25, 2008, 06:58:55 AM
3. to practice transcription

but either way, i severely doubt anyone'll accept this request.

If it were on the level of difficulty of, say, an AMN piece I'd probably do it.

If it's much harder, break it into tasks.  One person do the bass line, etc. 
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Re: Help making score
Reply #7 on: June 25, 2008, 07:08:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYAbJaDs4og

As a piano player who is not one of the ones that has the gift of playing by ear, I struggle to work out notes, particurlarly non-melodic notes, for example, in the left hand. I do, however, love this blues piece, and would love to learn it. No sheet music is available for it. I'm sure for someone who can detect pitch by ear this would be quite easy. It's only short, too.

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Re: Help making score
Reply #8 on: June 25, 2008, 08:43:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYAbJaDs4og

As a piano player who is not one of the ones that has the gift of playing by ear, I struggle to work out notes, particurlarly non-melodic notes, for example, in the left hand. I do, however, love this blues piece, and would love to learn it. No sheet music is available for it. I'm sure for someone who can detect pitch by ear this would be quite easy. It's only short, too.

Sounds like improv... why don't you try playing this recording while at a piano and experiment with different chords until it sounds consonant with what is playing on the recording?

At any rate, it's in C minor, and the main chords that are messed with include A-flat Major 7th, G7, F minor, and of course C minor.

Good luck!

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Re: Help making score
Reply #9 on: June 25, 2008, 09:58:07 AM
I think I heard a few 7#9 chords there too, but I might be wrong.

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Re: Help making score
Reply #10 on: June 25, 2008, 11:47:52 AM
I think I heard a few 7#9 chords there too, but I might be wrong.

Could be... I just mentioned the main ones... and that they were "messed with". ;)
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Re: Help making score
Reply #11 on: June 25, 2008, 12:32:25 PM
Ah yea, I didn't read your post properly, thought you were listing what 'messed with' qualities you heard.

From an entirely theoretical perspective, a minor blues would be likely to include Cm7, Fm7, G7, Ab7 and/or Dm7b5, and as said any chords would be likely to be messed with.

A few common variations are Db7 (tritone substitution for G7), sharp or flat 9 on the Dom7 chords (especially the G7), Abdim7 (effectively G7b9 with the root omitted).  In jazzier blues, the 'non altered' Dom7 chords will likely be 13ths and maj7/m7 chords will likely have a 9 in.  Also something I've heard in minor blues is the III chord, leading to a #IIIdim7 (III with raised root) going to the iv (so in C: Eb, Edim7, Fm7).

This is all theory though, I didn't look for each example in the recording.

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Re: Help making score
Reply #12 on: June 27, 2008, 09:21:34 AM
Thankyouuu :) I'm starting to get the hang of it. Is it better to learn the piece and recreate it though or should I aim to create my own adaptation of such stuff? Bearing in mind that you said it sounded improvised, I'm wondering if that is the best way to create a nice blues solo.
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