Scriabin (Read 8577 times)

eyeballnick · « on: July 08, 2008, 03:09:14 PM »

Do you prefer hes more "romantic" compositions, or do you think his more "Experimental" compositions are better, both favoured and musically.

I personally prefer his earlier romantic works, etudes op.8 no.11 and op.2 no.1 and preludes. u?

rachmaninova · «Reply #1 on: July 08, 2008, 04:33:08 PM »

I think this discussion was made several times on this forum and there were both defenders of his earlier works and lovers of his later works.

I confess I'm more biased to his post-5th sonata works (which I'm going to study next year... weeeeeeeeee!!!

), but I also love his ultra-romantic works. The 3rd sonata is breathtaking and his Préludes Op. 11 are true gems.

eyeballnick · «Reply #2 on: July 08, 2008, 05:54:00 PM »

Quote from: rachmaninova on July 08, 2008, 04:33:08 PM

I think this discussion was made several times on this forum and there were both defenders of his earlier works and lovers of his later works.

I confess I'm more biased to his post-5th sonata works (which I'm going to study next year... weeeeeeeeee!!! ), but I also love his ultra-romantic works. The 3rd sonata is breathtaking and his Préludes Op. 11 are true gems.

His preludes are something special. Not heard many sonatas, will youtube them

Ahh didnt know this has been done before!!!! oops.

thierry13 · «Reply #3 on: July 08, 2008, 06:47:42 PM »

Quote from: eyeballnick on July 08, 2008, 05:54:00 PM

His preludes are something special. Not heard many sonatas, will youtube them
Ahh didnt know this has been done before!!!! oops.

EVERYTHING has been done before, here! lol

dan101 · «Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 06:49:03 PM »

Since I wasn't part of the earlier discussions, I'm putting in my vote for the earlier works.

piano_ant · «Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 08:48:52 PM »

Just got off a three day Scriabin binge...I can feel the withdrawls already. Love all of his works. post fifth are the most "sublime" while the early stuff is simply gorgeous.

eyeballnick · «Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 09:26:54 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 08, 2008, 06:47:42 PM

EVERYTHING has been done before, here! lol

haha yeah starting to see that!

eyeballnick · «Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 09:27:45 PM »

Quote from: piano_ant on July 08, 2008, 08:48:52 PM

Just got off a three day Scriabin binge...I can feel the withdrawls already. Love all of his works. post fifth are the most "sublime" while the early stuff is simply gorgeous.

i agree

rachfan · «Reply #8 on: July 08, 2008, 11:19:57 PM »

To my personal taste Scriabin's earlier Chopinesque pieces are OK. I really love, however, his middle period pieces. As much as I try desperately to like his late works, I just cannot get hooked on them. So my own rule is not to go above Op. 60 or so.

cherub_rocker1979 · «Reply #9 on: July 08, 2008, 11:37:32 PM »

If you like his more romantic style, listen to his Fantasie in B minor, Op. 28.

piano_ant · «Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 03:35:34 AM »

Tenth sonata is my absolute favorite of his late works. So much sunshine! So incredibly engulfing!

rachmaninova · «Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 09:32:09 AM »

Quote from: piano_ant on July 09, 2008, 03:35:34 AM

Tenth sonata is my absolute favorite of his late works. So much sunshine! So incredibly engulfing!

I saw Sokolov play it last year and I was speechless in the end. It's my favourite too (but so hard!!!).

eyeballnick · «Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 09:50:52 AM »

Quote from: rachfan on July 08, 2008, 11:19:57 PM

To my personal taste Scriabin's earlier Chopinesque are OK. I really love, however, his middle period pieces. As much as I try desperately to like his late works, I just cannot get hooked on them. So my own rule is not to go above Op. 60 or so.

Yeah i cant seem to listen to his new stuff really.

eyeballnick · «Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 09:53:12 AM »

Quote from: cherub_rocker1979 on July 08, 2008, 11:37:32 PM

If you like his more romantic style, listen to his Fantasie in B minor, Op. 28.

Yeah thanks, i will have a look at that.

aewanko · «Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 10:08:08 AM »

Quote from: rachfan on July 08, 2008, 11:19:57 PM

To my personal taste Scriabin's earlier Chopinesque are OK. I really love, however, his middle period pieces. As much as I try desperately to like his late works, I just cannot get hooked on them. So my own rule is not to go above Op. 60 or so.

Oh come on, you'll love it! Just give it at least one try.

elbert · «Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 01:53:08 AM »

NOCTURNE

xavierm · «Reply #16 on: July 13, 2008, 05:45:47 PM »

The 2nd sonata in G# minor is TERRIBLY overlooked and underrated. AMAZING romantic style Scriabin. he somehow finds harmonies between the harmonies

Anyway, to answer the question I prefer later Scriabin (more original, experimental, etc.)

eyeballnick · «Reply #17 on: July 13, 2008, 06:57:19 PM »

Quote from: xavierm on July 13, 2008, 05:45:47 PM

The 2nd sonata in G# minor is TERRIBLY overlooked and underrated. AMAZING romantic style Scriabin. he somehow finds harmonies between the harmonies

Anyway, to answer the question I prefer later Scriabin (more original, experimental, etc.)

Thats a nice piece!! Must say i do like the harmonies.

ahinton · «Reply #18 on: July 13, 2008, 08:58:12 PM »

There seems to me to be far too much distinction being made here between him in so-called "Chopinesque" mode and the modus operandi that fuel his later work; the influence of Chopin is, of course, paramount in his earlier music but I have never had the impression that this dissipates, let alone disappears, in his later music. Chopin himself developed a harmonic language that proved to be widely influential (and even hints at quartal harmony are present in works such as the Fourth Ballade), so this is perhaps no small wonder, really' I have no doubt that Scriabin was as aware of Chopin's forward thinking as he was of all other aspects of his work that continued to exert influence on him and encourage the exercise of his own thought processes...

Best,

Alistair

cherub_rocker1979 · «Reply #19 on: July 14, 2008, 03:16:14 AM »

Quote from: elbert on July 11, 2008, 01:53:08 AM

NOCTURNE

He wrote more than one you know. There's the 2 Op. 5 Nocturnes and the Op. 9 for the left hand alone. I think there's others as well.

dnephi · «Reply #20 on: July 14, 2008, 03:49:59 PM »

Quote from: eyeballnick on July 13, 2008, 06:57:19 PM

Thats a nice piece!! Must say i do like the harmonies.

It's actually quite often played. Underplayed and underrated is the first sonata, as well as the incredibly powerful Fantasie, the Op. 65 etudes, and the alternate version of Op. 8 no. 12.

pianoguy1234 · «Reply #21 on: July 14, 2008, 08:53:58 PM »

I really think his more experimental works were a good "idea" and nothing more, i dont think they were very good but in a way i think he was trying to create a revolution in piano music which failed which is why alot of his more romantic works are popular and not his modern ones bar a few of the obvious (only in my opinion)

cherub_rocker1979 · «Reply #22 on: July 15, 2008, 01:12:42 AM »

Quote from: pianoguy1234 on July 14, 2008, 08:53:58 PM

I really think his more experimental works were a good "idea" and nothing more, i dont think they were very good but in a way i think he was trying to create a revolution in piano music which failed which is why alot of his more romantic works are popular and not his modern ones bar a few of the obvious (only in my opinion)

That's not true, his 5th, 7th, and 9th sonatas are performed quite often. So is his Vers la Flamme, op. 72. His Poem of Ecstasy is quite famous as well.