Piano Forum

Print

Pages: [1] Go Down

Topic: Scriabin (Read 10494 times)

eyeballnick

PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 77

Scriabin

on: July 08, 2008, 03:09:14 PM

Do you prefer hes more "romantic" compositions, or do you think his more "Experimental" compositions are better, both favoured and musically.

I personally prefer his earlier romantic works, etudes op.8 no.11 and op.2 no.1 and preludes. u?

Logged

rachmaninova

PS Silver Member
Full Member
Posts: 163

Re: Scriabin

Reply #1 on: July 08, 2008, 04:33:08 PM

I think this discussion was made several times on this forum and there were both defenders of his earlier works and lovers of his later works.

I confess I'm more biased to his post-5th sonata works (which I'm going to study next year... weeeeeeeeee!!!

), but I also love his ultra-romantic works. The 3rd sonata is breathtaking and his Préludes Op. 11 are true gems.

Logged

eyeballnick

PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 77

Re: Scriabin

Reply #2 on: July 08, 2008, 05:54:00 PM

Quote from: rachmaninova on July 08, 2008, 04:33:08 PM

I think this discussion was made several times on this forum and there were both defenders of his earlier works and lovers of his later works.

I confess I'm more biased to his post-5th sonata works (which I'm going to study next year... weeeeeeeeee!!! ), but I also love his ultra-romantic works. The 3rd sonata is breathtaking and his Préludes Op. 11 are true gems.

His preludes are something special. Not heard many sonatas, will youtube them

Ahh didnt know this has been done before!!!! oops.

Logged

thierry13

PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 2292

Re: Scriabin

Reply #3 on: July 08, 2008, 06:47:42 PM

Quote from: eyeballnick on July 08, 2008, 05:54:00 PM

His preludes are something special. Not heard many sonatas, will youtube them
Ahh didnt know this has been done before!!!! oops.

EVERYTHING has been done before, here! lol

Logged

dan101

PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 439

Re: Scriabin

Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 06:49:03 PM

Since I wasn't part of the earlier discussions, I'm putting in my vote for the earlier works.

Logged

Daniel E. Friedman, owner of www.musicmasterstudios.com[/url]
You CAN learn to play the piano and compose in a fun and effective way.

piano_ant

PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 81

Re: Scriabin

Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 08:48:52 PM

Just got off a three day Scriabin binge...I can feel the withdrawls already. Love all of his works. post fifth are the most "sublime" while the early stuff is simply gorgeous.

Logged

eyeballnick

PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 77

Re: Scriabin

Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 09:26:54 PM

Quote from: thierry13 on July 08, 2008, 06:47:42 PM

EVERYTHING has been done before, here! lol

haha yeah starting to see that!

Logged

eyeballnick

PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 77

Re: Scriabin

Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 09:27:45 PM

Quote from: piano_ant on July 08, 2008, 08:48:52 PM

Just got off a three day Scriabin binge...I can feel the withdrawls already. Love all of his works. post fifth are the most "sublime" while the early stuff is simply gorgeous.

i agree

Logged

rachfan

PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 3026

Re: Scriabin

Reply #8 on: July 08, 2008, 11:19:57 PM

To my personal taste Scriabin's earlier Chopinesque pieces are OK. I really love, however, his middle period pieces. As much as I try desperately to like his late works, I just cannot get hooked on them. So my own rule is not to go above Op. 60 or so.

Logged

Interpreting music means exploring the promise of the potential of possibilities.

cherub_rocker1979

PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 646

Re: Scriabin

Reply #9 on: July 08, 2008, 11:37:32 PM

If you like his more romantic style, listen to his Fantasie in B minor, Op. 28.

Logged

piano_ant

PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 81

Re: Scriabin

Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 03:35:34 AM

Tenth sonata is my absolute favorite of his late works. So much sunshine! So incredibly engulfing!

Logged

rachmaninova

PS Silver Member
Full Member
Posts: 163

Re: Scriabin

Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 09:32:09 AM

Quote from: piano_ant on July 09, 2008, 03:35:34 AM

Tenth sonata is my absolute favorite of his late works. So much sunshine! So incredibly engulfing!

I saw Sokolov play it last year and I was speechless in the end. It's my favourite too (but so hard!!!).

Logged

eyeballnick

PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 77

Re: Scriabin

Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 09:50:52 AM

Quote from: rachfan on July 08, 2008, 11:19:57 PM

To my personal taste Scriabin's earlier Chopinesque are OK. I really love, however, his middle period pieces. As much as I try desperately to like his late works, I just cannot get hooked on them. So my own rule is not to go above Op. 60 or so.

Yeah i cant seem to listen to his new stuff really.

Logged

eyeballnick

PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 77

Re: Scriabin

Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 09:53:12 AM

Quote from: cherub_rocker1979 on July 08, 2008, 11:37:32 PM

If you like his more romantic style, listen to his Fantasie in B minor, Op. 28.

Yeah thanks, i will have a look at that.

Logged

aewanko

PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 328

Re: Scriabin

Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 10:08:08 AM

Quote from: rachfan on July 08, 2008, 11:19:57 PM

To my personal taste Scriabin's earlier Chopinesque are OK. I really love, however, his middle period pieces. As much as I try desperately to like his late works, I just cannot get hooked on them. So my own rule is not to go above Op. 60 or so.

Oh come on, you'll love it! Just give it at least one try.

Logged

Trying to return to playing the piano.

elbert

PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 90

Re: Scriabin

Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 01:53:08 AM

NOCTURNE

Logged

xavierm

PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 69

Re: Scriabin

Reply #16 on: July 13, 2008, 05:45:47 PM

The 2nd sonata in G# minor is TERRIBLY overlooked and underrated. AMAZING romantic style Scriabin. he somehow finds harmonies between the harmonies

Anyway, to answer the question I prefer later Scriabin (more original, experimental, etc.)

Logged

eyeballnick

PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 77

Re: Scriabin

Reply #17 on: July 13, 2008, 06:57:19 PM

Quote from: xavierm on July 13, 2008, 05:45:47 PM

The 2nd sonata in G# minor is TERRIBLY overlooked and underrated. AMAZING romantic style Scriabin. he somehow finds harmonies between the harmonies

Anyway, to answer the question I prefer later Scriabin (more original, experimental, etc.)

Thats a nice piece!! Must say i do like the harmonies.

Logged

ahinton

PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 12149

Re: Scriabin

Reply #18 on: July 13, 2008, 08:58:12 PM

There seems to me to be far too much distinction being made here between him in so-called "Chopinesque" mode and the modus operandi that fuel his later work; the influence of Chopin is, of course, paramount in his earlier music but I have never had the impression that this dissipates, let alone disappears, in his later music. Chopin himself developed a harmonic language that proved to be widely influential (and even hints at quartal harmony are present in works such as the Fourth Ballade), so this is perhaps no small wonder, really' I have no doubt that Scriabin was as aware of Chopin's forward thinking as he was of all other aspects of his work that continued to exert influence on him and encourage the exercise of his own thought processes...

Best,

Alistair

Logged

Alistair Hinton
Curator / Director
The Sorabji Archive

cherub_rocker1979

PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 646

Re: Scriabin

Reply #19 on: July 14, 2008, 03:16:14 AM

Quote from: elbert on July 11, 2008, 01:53:08 AM

NOCTURNE

He wrote more than one you know. There's the 2 Op. 5 Nocturnes and the Op. 9 for the left hand alone. I think there's others as well.

Logged

dnephi

Sr. Member
Posts: 1859

Re: Scriabin

Reply #20 on: July 14, 2008, 03:49:59 PM

Quote from: eyeballnick on July 13, 2008, 06:57:19 PM

Thats a nice piece!! Must say i do like the harmonies.

It's actually quite often played. Underplayed and underrated is the first sonata, as well as the incredibly powerful Fantasie, the Op. 65 etudes, and the alternate version of Op. 8 no. 12.

Logged

For us musicians, the music of Beethoven is the pillar of fire and cloud of mist which guided the Israelites through the desert. (Roughly quoted, Franz Liszt.)

pianoguy1234

PS Silver Member
Newbie
Posts: 4

Re: Scriabin

Reply #21 on: July 14, 2008, 08:53:58 PM

I really think his more experimental works were a good "idea" and nothing more, i dont think they were very good but in a way i think he was trying to create a revolution in piano music which failed which is why alot of his more romantic works are popular and not his modern ones bar a few of the obvious (only in my opinion)

Logged

cherub_rocker1979

PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 646

Re: Scriabin

Reply #22 on: July 15, 2008, 01:12:42 AM

Quote from: pianoguy1234 on July 14, 2008, 08:53:58 PM

I really think his more experimental works were a good "idea" and nothing more, i dont think they were very good but in a way i think he was trying to create a revolution in piano music which failed which is why alot of his more romantic works are popular and not his modern ones bar a few of the obvious (only in my opinion)

That's not true, his 5th, 7th, and 9th sonatas are performed quite often. So is his Vers la Flamme, op. 72. His Poem of Ecstasy is quite famous as well.

Logged

Sign-up to post reply

Print

Pages: [1] Go Up

For more information about this topic, click search below!

SMF 2.0.19 | SMF © 2021, Simple Machines