Technology as helping tool to be honest on this forum

[pianowolfi]

Sounds sectarian for you, because you don't know main rules of human perception perhaps?

Do you know, for instance, that our right part of brain (responsible for emotions, special orientation, perception of colors and sounds etc) develops first? From concrete to abstract sounds sectarian?

And now look at these pictures for young beginners and tell me honestly, how concrete this info? It is like to teach play tennis in rolling blades.

Here is a different approach, which I think is simple and honest and helpful. I am currently trying to integrate this into my teaching:


https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,2406.msg20820.html#msg20820

Best

Wolfi

[musicrebel4u]

Here is a different approach, which I think is simple and honest and helpful. I am currently trying to integrate this into my teaching:


https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,2406.msg20820.html#msg20820

Best

Wolfi

R U seriouse?
This is exactly the same approach, but our more advanced and with interactivity added! All our training 'games' are training all the skills discribed by Bernard and beyond 

he wrote: 'Then train yourself ...' and insist on purchasing book
We are TRAINING that skills interactively
Comprehend?

You guys amazing... 
Wolfi

[m]

Here is a different approach, which I think is simple and honest and helpful. I am currently trying to integrate this into my teaching:


https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,2406.msg20820.html#msg20820

Best

Wolfi

Wolfi,

Thanks for the link, I never saw that post. As I see it, the difference between Bernhard (with whom BTW, I had my own differences) and Musicrebel4u, is that Bernhard was a musician and his starting point was music and everything was coming from there, while Musicrebel4u is a musicologist, who (as we clearly could experience on numerous ocasions) has no any idea what music is and what it is all about, creating and multiplying with her "revolutionary science" more and more little robots. Scary, isn't it?

In any case, keep up your good work!

Best, M

[musicrebel4u]

Wolfi,

Thanks for the link, I never saw that post. As I see it, the difference between Bernhard (with whom BTW, I had my own differences) and Musicrebel4u, is that Bernhard was a musician and his starting point was music and everything was coming from there, while Musicrebel4u is a musicologist, who (as we clearly could experience on numerous ocasions) has no any idea what music is and what it is all about, creating and multiplying with her "revolutionary science" more and more little robots. Scary, isn't it?

In any case, keep up your good work!

Best, M

You are also a robot, if you learned to read with pictures and large print?  Or maybe because you are using computer for communication?

Marik, I understand: you are pissed off
First you pissed off, because I am a woman and created something special
Second, you pissed off , because I am a musicologist and pianists coming to me for training. As a pianist you have BIG HEAD, but with no use
Third you pissed off, that I got my Masters in Ukraine (in Zhmerinka like you wrote), and you graduated Moscow conservatory. But Moscow conservatory for some reason publishing my article – not yours.
Fourth you pissed off, because we both from the same country and you simply enviouse, that I am successful in what I am doing and you are not.

I think, you need to stop being such an A$$, take your crown off and benefit from our invention. I made everything for people and for you, too.

Love and faith, musicrebel4u

[Essyne]

You are also a robot, if you learned to read with pictures and large print?  Or maybe because you are using computer for communication?

Marik, I understand: you are pissed off
First you pissed off, because I am a woman and created something special
Second, you pissed off , because I am a musicologist and pianists coming to me for training. As a pianist you have BIG HEAD, but with no use
Third you pissed off, that I got my Masters in Ukraine (in Zhmerinka like you wrote), and you graduated Moscow conservatory. But Moscow conservatory for some reason publishing my article – not yours.
Fourth you pissed off, because we both from the same country and you simply enviouse, that I am successful in what I am doing and you are not.

I think, you need to stop being such an A$$, take your crown off and benefit from our invention. I made everything for people and for you, too.

Love and faith, musicrebel4u

Geez, Marik. . . Why you gotta be so pissed off all the time? 

You know, I'd have to agree with the lady. . .anyone who's heard your recordings would know that you're just bitter and sanctimonious. . .  . I mean. . .  a musician whose interpretations are stunning at least? . . . . We all KNOW that those guys are, how did M4U so generously put it, A$$es . . . I mean, who's ever heard of a SELFLESS Musician?! TRUE musicians only care about what they look like in the eyes of the public. . .  .

Come off it, musicrebel. If you'd just let go of your technology that you so desperately cling to and actually focused on the Music, you'd see that that is all that matters. I don't care if someone learns via whatever you're promoting or the "traditional" methods that you denounce. Quite frankly, your close-mindedness turns me off of your product entirely, and I am normally someone who would invest time and effort in new things like that.

But take my word for it. . . No one, and I mean NO ONE could produce such phenomenal Music as Marik does if there was an ounce of selfishness in them. But I suppose that that's something that you will never understand.

Best,

Essyne.

[keypeg]

Marik et alia, I just read Bernard's idea and noticed the black-key-reference idea.  As mentioned earlier, I returned to piano last year after a 30 year absence, self-taught before.  I played by audiating the notes and I might be playing in any key so I wanted to learn to truly read, and did.  I used the black keys, but differently:

I took preparatory Czerny, because he introduces a 5-finger span at a time in each exercise, and within 5 exercises you have a huge range of the fingerboard and the score.  I also took Riemenschneider Bach.

I concentrated on the black-key patterns, and focussed the sense of touch plus visualizing (not looking) at the 2 + 3 key pattern.  Each note had a personality.  D nestles between the two tall hills of the 2 black keys.  When I played D I told myself it was a D, I associated the D on the page with the key that was nestling, and I bumped my finger into the two black keys.  I did that for every key, remaining in one Czerny exercise until I had it.

I also made myself aware of the intervals physically on the keyboard, as well as of fingers.  I put my senses into it as much as possible.

For the Bach chorals, I played one voice at a time: soprano, alto, tenor, bass and did the same thing.  Then two voices: soprano-alto, soprano-tenor etc.  Then three and finaly four.  Each chorale was a five-day thing.  I did not try to play musically but timing had to be correct.

Result:  After 5 months I can truly sight read.  I discovered that I can even sight read (slowly) open score, including with different clefs (C-clefs, etc.).  I can now play a Bach chorale prima vista with the proper note values for all four voices if I go extremely slowly: a tempo of 40 bpm with an eighth note getting two beats - that is for total accuracy.

This kicks into reading regular music, which is a lot easier.  My hand knows where to go without my needing to think about it.

I have this feeling about turning the music to the side: as though it made it to specific and dependent on the instrument.  I play guitar, alto and tenor recorders, piano, and violin.  I just have a funny feeling about the notes becoming a picture of the instrument, though I guess that's how tablature works.

KP

[musicrebel4u]

Geez, Marik. . . Why you gotta be so pissed off all the time? 

You know, I'd have to agree with the lady. . .anyone who's heard your recordings would know that you're just bitter and sanctimonious. . .  . I mean. . .  a musician whose interpretations are stunning at least? . . . . We all KNOW that those guys are, how did M4U so generously put it, A$$es . . . I mean, who's ever heard of a SELFLESS Musician?! TRUE musicians only care about what they look like in the eyes of the public. . .  .

Come off it, musicrebel. If you'd just let go of your technology that you so desperately cling to and actually focused on the Music, you'd see that that is all that matters. I don't care if someone learns via whatever you're promoting or the "traditional" methods that you denounce. Quite frankly, your close-mindedness turns me off of your product entirely, and I am normally someone who would invest time and effort in new things like that.

But take my word for it. . . No one, and I mean NO ONE could produce such phenomenal Music as Marik does if there was an ounce of selfishness in them. But I suppose that that's something that you will never understand.

Best,

Essyne.

We already discussed it on this forum for teachers: to be a great pianist doesn't mean to be great teacher.

As for your remark about turning off of my curriculum, I have to say old Russian proverb:
I'll take revenge with cashier of railway station: would buy a ticket, but would walk instead.

Love and faith, musicrebel4u

[Essyne]

Here is a different approach, which I think is simple and honest and helpful. I am currently trying to integrate this into my teaching:


https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,2406.msg20820.html#msg20820

Best

Wolfi

Wow! That's really amazing!

[Essyne]

But I suppose that that's something that you will never understand.

Case in point, musicrebel.

I was referring to your personal attacks on someone, not his teaching capabilities.

And I doubt he's a womaniser, but. . . one never knows about these things for SURE . . .   .

[Essyne]

As far as proverbs go, maybe you should read my signature. Internalise it, y'know?

Oh, but they're CHINESE. . . hmmm. . . maybe they don't know as much as the Russians. . .  .

[musicrebel4u]

Case in point, musicrebel.

I was referring to your personal attacks on someone, not his teaching capabilities.

And I doubt he's a womaniser, but. . . one never knows about these things for SURE . . .   .

'But I suppose that that's something that you will never understand.'   - if you alow yourself such thoughts, what kind of teacher r u???

Second, read more carefully: Marik is not womanizer - he is just a man with chauvinistic attitude.
Before I 'attacked' him, I read and analyzed his attacks on me. Fortunately, I am not getting hurt, because I love people, happy and very tolerant.
I treat people, who does not understand something, the way I would treat my students: patiently explain and by explaining more and more I understand how to do it better.  

[m19834]

time for everybody to stop typing and go practice instead

*conserves precious energy*

[Essyne]

But I is having too much fun  .

Yeah, for real though. I'm out.

Peace!

[m]

Marik, I understand: you are pissed off
First you pissed off, because I am a woman and created something special
Second, you pissed off , because I am a musicologist and pianists coming to me for training. As a pianist you have BIG HEAD, but with no use
Third you pissed off, that I got my Masters in Ukraine (in Zhmerinka like you wrote), and you graduated Moscow conservatory. But Moscow conservatory for some reason publishing my article – not yours.
Fourth you pissed off, because we both from the same country and you simply enviouse, that I am successful in what I am doing and you are not....

.....Marik is not womanizer - he is just a man with chauvinistic attitude.

What can I say except as so often you are off in your deductions, again. Waaay off... you even don't know who am I and what I do in life...
Indeed, there is one thing I am envious, which is your marketing skills--succeed whatever it takes--indeed, you are real good in that. I am not sure though, if that's what I want to do.

Oh, wait a second, now I understand--you were just "sharpening your weapons".

Good day, M

[Essyne]

Okay, I lied. I'm back. . . .

Indeed, there is one thing I am envious, which is your marketing skills

I agree with you here. I've always been the type who says "Eh, if you want it, give me 200 bucks. If not, then don't."

Yes, m4u's Intent is amazing, but maybe if she was a little less abrasive people would be more open. hehe - but I am playing the role of the hypocrite today .

But there DOES have to be SOME Method to One's Madness.

[musicrebel4u]

What can I say except as so often you are off in your deductions, again. Waaay off... you even don't know who am I and what I do in life...
Indeed, there is one thing I am envious, which is your marketing skills--succeed whatever it takes--indeed, you are real good in that. I am not sure though, if that's what I want to do.

Oh, wait a second, now I understand--you were just "sharpening your weapons".

Good day, M

Oh, Marik-Marik...

When someone calls Yuri Rozum's recommendation 'recommendation of person nobody knows', call Kiev-Kharkov' conservatories 'Zhmerinka' (English speaking people don't even understand the offence), if you keep and display your performance in Kemerovo (not in Madrid or even Moscow), if it is so bothering for you that I am musicologist, it is simple to put 2+2 together.  You revealed all of your complexes at once.

As you remember all our discussions, I didn't attack your credentials, honestly said what I was thinking about your performance and offered you my help several times. It does not hurt me to acknowledge your talent as a great performer, it does not bug me that you graduated Moscow conservatory (good for you!) and all what I wanted is to SEE your actual results in teaching.

You didn't show me anything… Well, I googled… the results are the same as I thought. How did I get your name? Use your witty mind.

[m]

Oh, Marik-Marik...

When someone calls Yuri Rozum's recommendation 'recommendation of person nobody knows', call Kiev-Kharkov' conservatories 'Zhmerinka' (English speaking people don't even understand the offence), if you keep and display your performance in Kemerovo (not in Madrid or even Moscow), if it is so bothering for you that I am musicologist, it is simple to put 2+2 together.  You revealed all of your complexes at once.

As you remember all our discussions, I didn't attack your credentials, honestly said what I was thinking about your performance and offered you my help several times. It does not hurt me to acknowledge your talent as a great performer, it does not bug me that you graduated Moscow conservatory (good for you!) and all what I wanted is to SEE your actual results in teaching.

You didn't show me anything… Well, I googled… the results are the same as I thought. How did I get your name? Use your witty mind.

Sorry, wrong again.
Let's see:
First, for the record, I never called Yuri Rozum 'person nobody knows'... if I did please point it out and I will apologize.

Second, for the record, I never called Kiev or Kharkov Conservatories--Zhmerinka. If you remember, Kiev, Kharkov, and Moscow Concervatories were in one sentence, Zhmerinka and others were in another, completely unrelated sentence, with completely different connotation.

Third, indeed I haven't played for many years for reasons, which are out of topic of current discussion. However, on demand I can provide recordings not only from Kemerovo, but also from Museon Tel-Aviv, Concertgebow in Amsterdam, Music Hochshule in Hambourg, Hall of Moscow Concervatory, live on Chicago radio, numerous festivals and Universities, Steinway series tour, etc.etc.etc.

Oh, and you do not know my name, and my email is not my name, if that's what you are refering to.

You call yourself a scientist and professional. I am sorry but above attitude of your deductions does not look "scientific" by any stretch and called "manipulation with facts". What you get is 2+2=7

Best, M

P.S. Professionals do not have to SEE, it is enough to hear--and I offered it a few times, as at the moment this is the only thing I can offer, but you don't seem all that interested...

[musicrebel4u]

Sorry, wrong again.
Let's see:
First, for the record, I never called Yuri Rozum 'person nobody knows'... if I did please point it out and I will apologize.

Second, for the record, I never called Kiev or Kharkov Conservatories--Zhmerinka. If you remember, Kiev, Kharkov, and Moscow Concervatories were in one sentence, Zhmerinka and others were in another, completely unrelated sentence, with completely different connotation.

Third, indeed I haven't played for many years for reasons, which are out of topic of current discussion. However, on demand I can provide recordings not only from Kemerovo, but also from Museon Tel-Aviv, Concertgebow in Amsterdam, Music Hochshule in Hambourg, Hall of Moscow Concervatory, live on Chicago radio, numerous festivals and Universities, Steinway series tour, etc.etc.etc.

Oh, and you do not know my name, and my email is not my name, if that's what you are refering to.

You call yourself a scientist and professional. I am sorry but above attitude of your deductions does not look "scientific" by any stretch and called "manipulation with facts". What you get is 2+2=7

Best, M

P.S. Professionals do not have to SEE, it is enough to hear--and I offered it a few times, as at the moment this is the only thing I can offer, but you don't seem all that interested...

I don't think I would be interested to write any more in this forum.
Good by!

[pianowolfi]

bbyyyyyyyyeeeeeee!

[pianowolfi]

bbyyyyyyyyeeeeeee!

I know I'm a bit mean with this but when I saw these last ramblings of her against marik, which are far from anything reasonable or objective, I couldn't help...

[Petter]

Where did you get that funny smiley?

[gerryjay]

omg...

with all my respects to people who have participated in this thread, what a waste of 45 minutes reading this. if it's already annoying to see someone spamming on a public forum, it's even worse when you realize two things: this someone don't know very much what is piano playing, and even less about educational theory and psychology. it's very easy to mix some concepts together, use a colorful and "interactive" approach, and call it "the only way to properly learn to play piano".

well, i really don't mind if m4u thinks that i should post my own videos, because she provided the videos as something great, and...well, there are other people related, but anyone who have a basic notion of music and music education knows what kind of charlatanism is happening there, especially because this revolutionary method is not revolutionary, and almost not a method, in the true sense of the word. as far as i can notice by watching the videos and the site, it's a mere collage of some old ways to teach piano with a red and blue twisted interface.

everybody excuse me for this acid post, but i was in need of that to refresh after this hour of stupidity and nonsense.

best!

[pianowolfi]

Where did you get that funny smiley?

It's from Yahoo messenger. https://de.messenger.yahoo.com/features/emoticons/ I just copied it there and then uploaded to my photobucket. Don't know if yahoo would like this though so don't tell anybody   

[m19834]

I do find it interesting that M4U's intent is supposed to be that of making the world a better place, where there is more peace and harmony and where "professional musicians" are better appreciated (presumably a bait to get "us" interested), while neither of those qualities seem particularly evident in the mind and professional-practice of the "founder" of the "invention" ... obviously there is some kind of misfire there *scratches head*

Just an observation.

[m19834]

P.S. Professionals do not have to SEE, it is enough to hear--and I offered it a few times, as at the moment this is the only thing I can offer, but you don't seem all that interested...

oh ... and btw, I was actually quite looking forward to this happening as I was wishing very much to listen in on this myself  .  That is actually quite a generous offer and I wonder if there is a chance you could still post this ?

[m]

I do find it interesting that M4U's intent is supposed to be that of making the world a better place, where there is more peace and harmony and where "professional musicians" are better appreciated...

I don't remember who said, but it sounds something like: "A beautiful goal, achieved by non-righteous methods is not a beautiful goal".

I will try to record some parts of the lesson tomorrow.

Best, M

[lostinidlewonder]

I think you would be interested to know how archaic our way of teaching how to read books here:

I am not too interested in the archaic style of teaching. Sight reading completely in 9 minutes seems a little fast to me even if this lesson is meant for total beginners. You said we can only see one line at a time, this is not correct , I did a speed reading course from Howard Berg, the words fastest reader, and he taught us how to read paragraphs at a time, and how to miss out useless information. This has great application to music, how to reduce the amount you actually read. You can actually teach to see more lines simultaneously, reading intervals between notes, not the notes themselves and this should be taught pretty much asap. We aim to reduce the amount the student has to read instead of inefficiently reading every single bit of information.

I do not like the strong link between reading words to reading notes in the youtube presentation. They are not that strongly correlated, there is no muscular memory associated with reading words in a book, unless you consider your eye movements and hand turning the page essential to reading words . Many teachers teach reading separate from the physical playing which I think is not the best. It is important to get a student to know what group of notes written on a page can be played without moving the hand. This sets us up for reading our music intelligently, being able to identify movement groups (groups of notes which can be played without moving the hand and movement to the next groups) which will aid our muscular memory and thus aid our sight reading.


I also do not like the idea of naming notes on the keyboard with the actual letters. This might be ok for the person who has never touched a piano in their life before, but it should be removed and burnt to ashes. This security blanket restricts the students ability to memorise the names of the notes immediately. When I talk to a student if I say put this finger on C, I don't want them to look at the letter C written on a piece of paper telling them where to go, they have to know where C is by identifying the pattern that the black notes cause at the piano.

How do you help the student to read at a masters level. There are many different ways in which people can be taught how to read music but the application of knowledge is what is so important and what most teachers miss out (and try to do with one sweeping concept of teaching.) when developing the students reading skills. This is the archaic way of teaching and your you tube lessons are no different. Yes they can be effective, but they are not all encompassing and it will not make the student into a master reader, rather one who can identify notes but slowly. How do you increase their speed and accuracy of reading?

Certainly the very basics of reading can be taught in many fancy ways, but how do you develop from there? How can you get your student to sight read a Liszt Etude for example? Will you say, oh you will have to wait 20 years before you can do that? All I am saying is that your online lessons are nice, but they are suitable more for early beginner little children. I would question how your systems application to real music works to develop the student into a master reader.

I would love musicrebel4u to post a video of herself talking about pianostreet Just to make sure that it really is her who is posting on here and posting on youtube.

[m]

I don't remember who said, but it sounds something like: "A beautiful goal, achieved by non-righteous methods is not a beautiful goal".

Case in point:

https://www.uk-piano.org/piano-forums/piano5119.html

What a surprise, what a fascinating "discovery"!!! 

So what was the topic?--Technology as helping tool to be honest on this forum?

[goldentone]

Thanks for the Bernhard sightreading link, Wolfi.

[m19834]

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[m]

oh ... and btw, I was actually quite looking forward to this happening as I was wishing very much to listen in on this myself  .  That is actually quite a generous offer and I wonder if there is a chance you could still post this ?

OK,

It is from todays lesson. Since it was quite random nothing is ready to perform, just to get a general idea. 8 years old kid, has been taking lessons for a year and 8 months (with 3 month break). He is quite an inconsistant kid, and slow to start, but once he "gets it"--he finishes fast.
Just a few points.
The C# scale is the last one and all the other "sharps" he's already passed. Right now it is at M.M.=120 per two. Our goal is at least twice as fast.
The Chase is about 4 or 5 weeks and about to pass. I gave the piece just to introduce the concept of drop of free hand over the octave jump on the top note, and release on two repetition notes to accumulate energy for the next free drop. Finally, he got it and next time (hopefully) we are done.

Polka--about 7 weeks and is little hard on him, esp. to get the concept of grace notes being very close to each other. Another concept is when the melody goes up--it is like climbing a mountain, when with each chord the music intensity increases, and then like on the sled sliding down. And of course, the main thing is very jumpy staccato, esp. after three slured notes. He greatly enjoys the piece.

Besides those, in the current work we also have entire 3 movements Sonatina (sorry, don't remember by whom  ), a few etudes, and Tchaikowsky's Sick Doll.

[m19834]

Thank you very much and I look forward to listening .

[m]

Thank you very much and I look forward to listening .

It is right there...

[pianowolfi]

Thanks marik, it's very interesting, I think it's obvious that your student has a good sensitivity at working with the sound, listening to himself and that you take very much care to build up a sense and ability for realizing dynamics and phrasing from the beginning. 

[m19834]

It is right there...

uhm ... I know  .  I just haven't listened yet  .

[Petter]

Who wrote that polka piece? Sounds like a fun piece.

[pianowolfi]

Who wrote that polka piece? Sounds like a fun piece.

Tchaikovsky, Album for the young.

https://www.pianostreet.com/members/gold/tchaikowskyp/pdf/tchaikovsky_op39no10.pdf?

[m19834]

OK,

It is from todays lesson. Since it was quite random nothing is ready to perform, just to get a general idea. 8 years old kid, has been taking lessons for a year and 8 months (with 3 month break). He is quite an inconsistant kid, and slow to start, but once he "gets it"--he finishes fast.
Just a few points.
The C# scale is the last one and all the other "sharps" he's already passed. Right now it is at M.M.=120 per two. Our goal is at least twice as fast.
The Chase is about 4 or 5 weeks and about to pass. I gave the piece just to introduce the concept of drop of free hand over the octave jump on the top note, and release on two repetition notes to accumulate energy for the next free drop. Finally, he got it and next time (hopefully) we are done.

Polka--about 7 weeks and is little hard on him, esp. to get the concept of grace notes being very close to each other. Another concept is when the melody goes up--it is like climbing a mountain, when with each chord the music intensity increases, and then like on the sled sliding down. And of course, the main thing is very jumpy staccato, esp. after three slured notes. He greatly enjoys the piece.

Besides those, in the current work we also have entire 3 movements Sonatina (sorry, don't remember by whom  ), a few etudes, and Tchaikowsky's Sick Doll.

hmmmm ... 

[alpacinator1]

First you pissed off, because I am a woman and created something special

Accusations of sexism to cover up the fact that you're full of crap. Nice.

[morningstar]

It's all good, she's like a snake or any other animal: Leave them alone and they leave you alone.

[gyzzzmo]

The quality of a teacher depends on his knowledge and understanding of people and piano, and his ability to explain to his students as individuals. You cant that show that quality on video, and i have no idea why the hell i would want to proof myself to some unknown silly from the internet or buy any equipment for it 

You want to proof yourself? No problem. I have no idea though why i should do that for you.

Gyzzzmo

[thierry13]

Helen, you say you have proofs that your method is good on youtube. The only thing I saw tough are beginner pieces. I'd like to hear one of your students play a piece with some consistancy. You know, those big pieces wich requires deep musical understanding and a very high level of technique. Because I think we all have to agree that the level of the pieces your student plays is very low, and does not require high musical understanding/mental abilities. Your method might be very good for 5 years old kid (or beginners of any age), but I doubt a pre-school pedagogy book, nomatter how good it is, should be called a method without alternative, or deserves any kind of credit in the serious musical world (high level).

[thierry13]

I have to add that I see no difference between your student who had 3 weeks of lesson and your student who had lessons with you for 1 year and a half and also practices with the system at home. What does your program do after the student has learned how to read music? I'd like to see one of your students play an even scale and an even arpeggio.

[musicrebel4u]

I have to add that I see no difference between your student who had 3 weeks of lesson and your student who had lessons with you for 1 year and a half and also practices with the system at home. What does your program do after the student has learned how to read music? I'd like to see one of your students play an even scale and an even arpeggio.

What my system does?
I have to answer with a question: What ABC does to students?

As for my prodigies, I have my students already as professors of piano in Universities and winners of piano competitions. Read my resume: 
-https://www.doremifasoft.com/abhehi.html

But I don’t believe that good teacher is the teacher who has winners. I believe best teachers can teach practically anybody. This is why I record AVERAGE kids, kids with ADD, dyslexia, autism etc on my videos.

[rhapsody4]

What my system does?
I have to answer with a question: What ABC does to students?

Fail. The question was:

What does your program do after the student has learned how to read music?

But I don’t believe that good teacher is the teacher who has winners. I believe best teachers can teach practically anybody. This is why I record AVERAGE kids, kids with ADD, dyslexia, autism etc on my videos.

So, surely good results is down to the teacher teaching well, not the method that they use.

I appreciate that technology can be a helping tool, as it can with anything. But, ironically, to come down so adamently that your method is the only method and must be obeyed at all times (as comes across in the above discussion - is this really the intention?) is in fact more backward than anyone you are criticizing for having the audacity to question your methods.

[musicrebel4u]

Fail. The question was:

So, surely good results is down to the teacher teaching well, not the method that they use.

I appreciate that technology can be a helping tool, as it can with anything. But, ironically, to come down so adamently that your method is the only method and must be obeyed at all times (as comes across in the above discussion - is this really the intention?) is in fact more backward than anyone you are criticizing for having the audacity to question your methods.

Yes, you're right. My program just teaches to read music. It teaches average, below average and prodigies. This is exactly what it does!

If you would find alternative to ABC in reading, I would agree with you, that my approach just one of many.

[thierry13]

If you would find alternative to ABC in reading, I would agree with you, that my approach just one of many.

Look, your program isn't ABC. There IS ABC in music also anyways, and is the same thing as in languages. You have a method, and there ARE alternatives. It is a proven fact that your program only teaches to read music, wich is ->NOT<- a major problem in the vast majority of average students. Why would people pay money for a method to solve an *almost* inexistant problem? Okay, you teach people with major learning disorder, that's great, but that does not make a program good for everyone. If anything, your program is designed FOR retarded people(sorry for the rude term). It won't sell to the mass. No, we are not rejecting you because you are a woman, or because your idea is new. It's simply a game to learn to read music, it can help people who are in difficulty, but after you learn this, what can you do for your students? As I pointed out earlier, there is no difference between your student after 3 weeks and the other after 1 and a half year. A teacher good for 3 weeks is certainly not worth the trouble of paying the whole software. Even if I would give you credit for ABC, you would still limit yourself to those 3 letters and that's it, while other teachers can make great litterature out of them. That's what's important.

[musicrebel4u]

Look, your program isn't ABC. There IS ABC in music also anyways, and is the same thing as in languages. You have a method, and there ARE alternatives. It is a proven fact that your program only teaches to read music, wich is ->NOT<- a major problem in the vast majority of average students. Why would people pay money for a method to solve an *almost* inexistant problem? Okay, you teach people with major learning disorder, that's great, but that does not make a program good for everyone. If anything, your program is designed FOR retarded people(sorry for the rude term). It won't sell to the mass. No, we are not rejecting you because you are a woman, or because your idea is new. It's simply a game to learn to read music, it can help people who are in difficulty, but after you learn this, what can you do for your students? As I pointed out earlier, there is no difference between your student after 3 weeks and the other after 1 and a half year. A teacher good for 3 weeks is certainly not worth the trouble of paying the whole software. Even if I would give you credit for ABC, you would still limit yourself to those 3 letters and that's it, while other teachers can make great litterature out of them. That's what's important.

You are telling me that the skill to read music like on one of my videos can be easily trained by any teacher?

[thierry13]

Well, first of all, this COULD be bullshit since WHO never played the pathetique once in his life? I doubt the guy was doing pure sight reading. Even if he DID, the guy has some sort of talent, he is the ONLY one of your students to sight read this way. It is not your program alone that deserves credit. Is this your only argument? There were MANY things I said that you simply ignored. Answer every topic with rationality, please.

[musicrebel4u]

Well, first of all, this COULD be bullshit since WHO never played the pathetique once in his life? I doubt the guy was doing pure sight reading. Even if he DID, the guy has some sort of talent, he is the ONLY one of your students to sight read this way. It is not your program alone that deserves credit. Is this your only argument? There were MANY things I said that you simply ignored. Answer every topic with rationality, please.

Before I answer, please, tell me what do you know about cognitive learning and the most important rule in teaching people skills to read.