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Offline term

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Re: An American Tragedy
Reply #50 on: August 01, 2008, 04:49:48 PM
Yeah, this is the pseudo-conspiracy theory way the story goes.  By learning about the Oct 2002 authorization of the war, you can learn why it was passed by a bi-partisan majority of congress. https://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf

You really don't seem to understand Islamic extremism. Were the Danish embassies torched because the jihadists are tired of their wretched thievery and imperialism.  Grow up.  They hate the West for what it is; not what it does.  Religious extremists do not operate using Cartesian logic.
What are you talking about? You show how cheaply misused the word conspiracy nowadays is.
The war on terror is a fraud from beginning to end. There was this attack, and suddenly - quick! scare the sh*t out of the people, convince them there's the big boogeyman in the east who's trying to kill your family, who hates your life and want's to destroy your country. Just surrender your rights and accept everything under the pretext security. That is the story thus far.
The opinion that people over there hate anybody and want to destroy america, the safest place on the face of the earth (after all, what are the 450 billion for the military for?), is in itself a conspiracy theory.
And the bush agenda of the last 7 years is one of the quickest and most thoroughly pushed agendas i've ever seen.

Here's how it works, it's like in a recipe book:
Quote from: Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

Ironically, those who complain that they're hated are the ones to be the quickest when it comes to declaring an enemy and spreading prejudices.  And then of course, the american government declared two wars and kills people. It's like you bash someone in the face repeatedly and afterwards say "see, i told you he hates us".

I'm astounded everytime by the willingness of people to participate in such a large scale scam.
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Offline michel dvorsky

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Re: An American Tragedy
Reply #51 on: August 01, 2008, 08:10:57 PM
You don't seam to understand islamic extremism. First of all there is nothing that is called 'jihadists' the correct therm is mujahideen (there is of course no correct way to spell this word with Latin letters) . You are just as bad as those leftists who call every person on the right a fascist.

There are HUGE differences between different islamic movements. Al Qaida may hate the west for a lot of stupid reasons. And their actions are completely insane. A group like Hezbollah is COMPLETELY different: they have a defined goal and their human rights record is generally really high ( I know that you are laughing when you are reading this, but that is because you haven't really studied Hezbollah in a serious way ).

Hezbollah aren't imposing their culture on other people in the way many other so-called Islamic extremists are doing.( 60 % of the christians in Lebanon support them!).

Recommended reading about Hezbollah: Defending the Holy Land by the Israeli historian  Zeev Maoz (chapter about the 1982-2000 Lebanon war).

This post does of course not contain many or any proofs but I will be willing to give them to you if you are interested. But the point is that there are many different types of islamic groups, some reasonable and others clearly not.

Are you mad?!?!

Hezbollah is classified as a terrorist organization by The US, Australia, Canada, Netherlands, Israel, and the UK.  Their stated goal is the destruction of Israel.
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Offline general disarray

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Re: An American Tragedy
Reply #52 on: August 01, 2008, 08:14:05 PM
Are you mad?!?!

Hezbollah is classified as a terrorist organization by The US, Australia, Canada, Netherlands, Israel, and the UK.  Their stated goal is the destruction of Israel.

uh oh, mephisto.  Now you've got him riled up.   :o
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Re: An American Tragedy
Reply #53 on: August 02, 2008, 10:13:48 AM
Are you mad?!?!

Hezbollah is classified as a terrorist organization by The US, Australia, Canada, Netherlands, Israel, and the UK.  Their stated goal is the destruction of Israel.

Wow you really got me there...

Read the book ( Defending the Holy Land  by Zeev Maoz).

Their stated goal is the the liberation of all of Lebanese territory (occupied by Israel), and even though they support the destruction of Israel it is clearly NOT their stated goal (Nasrallah has even said that he would leave it fir the Palestinians to decide). This becomes especially clear if you look at their history. Their warfare have almost exclusively been against the IDF and the SLA and NOT against civilians ( after Israel killed their leader Hezbollah would respond to Israeli attacks against Lebanese civilians with rocket attacks against northern Israel).

May I ask who are you intellectual idols?





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Re: An American Tragedy
Reply #54 on: August 02, 2008, 07:03:29 PM
May I ask who are you intellectual idols?

John Locke,  Adam Smith, and Milton Friedman.
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