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Offline jej

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My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
« on: August 08, 2008, 12:13:22 PM »
Hy

I am Bernard. I stated to learn on sinthisayser when i was 15,now i am 17 and i will get upright piano clavinova yamaha clp-230 for better recordings:)

god bless you all

please comment
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BErnard

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #1 on: August 28, 2008, 01:47:57 AM »
Bernard,
Let me first say I admire your ambition to take on such a piece and at such a young age.  That being said I have some advice.  If you do not have a piano teacher hire one.  If you have a piano teacher fire them and find a new one.  At first I gave the benefit of doubt to the piano you were playing, and you are right you need the Claviniova.  They are good pianos.  However I can tell you are struggling with some very basic piano techniques.  Your hands sound very stiff even after practicing this piece for six months.  In lieu of possible not having a teacher here a few tips.  Put La Campanella away.  You are not ready for it.  Find and focus on some easier pieces for another three to five years.  Remember great music need not always be complicated.   
I am no longer fighting my inner demons.  We are now all on the same side.

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #2 on: August 28, 2008, 06:46:29 AM »
I don't mean to sound harsh or rude but does this sound right to you? It might just be the keyboard but I don't think you're quite ready for this piece... :-\

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 11:57:11 AM »
I just needed to add.  Do not be discouraged, keep practicing the piano.
I am no longer fighting my inner demons.  We are now all on the same side.

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #4 on: October 01, 2008, 10:05:44 AM »


here me playing la campanella in video on youtube, please comment and rate.

Bernard
currently learning:

Mussorgsky: Pictures at one exhibition suite
Beethoven: -Sonata "Grande sonate Pathetique"Ecossaisen,The turkish march,
Sgambati:Melody from Orfeo
Chopin: f.i-lp

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #5 on: October 02, 2008, 01:54:02 AM »
LOLLLLLLLLL ... this is SOOOOO f*****g funny  :o :o This dude is OBVIOUSLY kidding around. The video too is a joke. It can't be real. The guy wouldn't have the intelligence to actually write his posts if those recordings were not jokes hahaha. And on youtube it's even worse hahaha.

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #6 on: October 02, 2008, 01:57:47 AM »
p.s. go see his other videos ! They're all as hilarious as the first one.

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #7 on: October 02, 2008, 02:59:36 AM »
Thierry he's already stated he's only been playing for 2 years.  What's wrong with you? Why do you have to laugh at everyone?

Having said that I think mrba1979 gave you some good advice jej

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #8 on: October 02, 2008, 07:12:34 AM »
thierry ,if you can do better publish your own videos and we will see;)

BErnard
currently learning:

Mussorgsky: Pictures at one exhibition suite
Beethoven: -Sonata "Grande sonate Pathetique"Ecossaisen,The turkish march,
Sgambati:Melody from Orfeo
Chopin: f.i-lp

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #9 on: October 02, 2008, 06:27:42 PM »
Florence Foster Jenkins rides again.
Instrumentalists are all wannabe singers. Discuss.

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #10 on: October 03, 2008, 01:38:21 AM »
Thierry he's already stated he's only been playing for 2 years.  What's wrong with you? Why do you have to laugh at everyone?

Having said that I think mrba1979 gave you some good advice jej

peace


I do not recall of laughing at anybody else? That's definitely not everyone. And there's a difference between uneven, unexperimented, or even bad playing, and what this guy posted. It's two completetly different worlds.

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #11 on: October 03, 2008, 01:43:20 AM »
thierry ,if you can do better publish your own videos and we will see;)

BErnard

I don't need to record a piece I never learned to prove anything to anyone. I am sad for you if your videos are NOT jokes, and if they're not, you definitely need either a very good piano teacher or to stop playing... now. That's exagerated, but I can't stress enough how bad the records were, and this after 6 months of work and 2 years of playing experience. Not even close to anything that could come close to a barely decent recording of the piece. Sorry if I'm harsh or whatever, it's just reality, and sometimes it's more useful than to try to say exactly the same thing in a nice manner. I'm just being objective ... I mean, I don't know the guy so I can't hate him or want to attack him personally or w/e ...

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #12 on: October 03, 2008, 08:00:20 AM »
okay

i will publish in 3 months -perhaps in January or to the end of this year

La Campanella -not excerpt but all
Preludes op.23 no.2 and no.5-not excerpts but all

its intresting ,you dont like it ,Enzos teacher love it.

and his teacher is in university.

anyway

i decided before to learn this 3 pieces .

mostly person who knows nothing is judging ppl

Bernard
currently learning:

Mussorgsky: Pictures at one exhibition suite
Beethoven: -Sonata "Grande sonate Pathetique"Ecossaisen,The turkish march,
Sgambati:Melody from Orfeo
Chopin: f.i-lp

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #13 on: October 03, 2008, 01:56:35 PM »
okay

i will publish in 3 months -perhaps in January or to the end of this year

La Campanella -not excerpt but all
Preludes op.23 no.2 and no.5-not excerpts but all

its intresting ,you dont like it ,Enzos teacher love it.

and his teacher is in university.

anyway

i decided before to learn this 3 pieces .

mostly person who knows nothing is judging ppl

Bernard

I am in university also, and in piano performance. You won't make me believe somebody likes the video you just posted. And no, you proved more than enough that you can NOT play the preludes op.23 no.2 and 5.

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #14 on: October 03, 2008, 03:12:52 PM »
Respect for trying to study this music. :D But there is something as too ambitious. Surely you must realize and be able to hear that you can't really play these pieces.
You'd be better off investing your time in learning the piano gradually with more basic pieces.

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #15 on: October 03, 2008, 03:49:53 PM »
Hahahah! this is so odd! This is the best La Campanella ever! There should be a melody you know? :D
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Cause it is a joke, right? Orelse: Some people think math if fun, or maybe sport? Cause music clearly isn't you thing...

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #16 on: October 04, 2008, 02:27:39 PM »
i will play all 3  pieces good.

and you thierry ,you can say whatever you want.

Bernard
currently learning:

Mussorgsky: Pictures at one exhibition suite
Beethoven: -Sonata "Grande sonate Pathetique"Ecossaisen,The turkish march,
Sgambati:Melody from Orfeo
Chopin: f.i-lp

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #17 on: October 04, 2008, 03:25:45 PM »
okay

i will publish in 3 months -perhaps in January or to the end of this year

La Campanella -not excerpt but all
Preludes op.23 no.2 and no.5-not excerpts but all

its intresting ,you dont like it ,Enzos teacher love it.

and his teacher is in university.

anyway

i decided before to learn this 3 pieces .

mostly person who knows nothing is judging ppl

Bernard

Okay, Bernard.

I have youtube too and if I'm not mistaken, this Enzo is also my friend there. And he is light years away from you. But don't fret!! You can stilll get better. Don't let the criticism get you down.

You have much guts to try La Campanella. This is a case for vertical vs horizontal growth, imo. I suggest you go back and polish your older pieces, is that too much? You don't seem to finish your pieces. And it's okay to make mistakes on camera if it's a live performance, but if it's home video you can still try again. Please do. You have much potential.

And search this forum whether you have problems in technique or memory. There is a lot of good information here. Please don't let these people get you down. Posting in audition room is asking for trouble. For good advice, try student's corner.

And uhm, it doesn't take a concert pianist to know if a piece sounds weird. So anyone can be a critic, but not everyone can be helpful to you. You like Kissin, don't you? Listen to his piano more, think of that gorgeous sound and try to imitate it when you play.

Hope this helps!


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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #18 on: October 05, 2008, 06:35:15 AM »
okay

i will publish in 3 months -perhaps in January or to the end of this year

La Campanella -not excerpt but all
Preludes op.23 no.2 and no.5-not excerpts but all

its intresting ,you dont like it ,Enzos teacher love it.

and his teacher is in university.

anyway

i decided before to learn this 3 pieces .

mostly person who knows nothing is judging ppl

Bernard
I would have to sit at piano for 12 hours practising to polish those pieces if i were in your position right now  8)

I did play the la campanella as well...it took me actually pretty long before I dared to play in public..and of course you need more than a concert to be sure and know everything in that piece...let alone perform it at a decent level.

I understand about your ambitious. I,myself as a late starter,also did have the same problems..try all the most difficult pieces so soon as possible until i reached one point when I noticed..I didn't play any piece I was just messing around with it..then it was a really hard time for me to relearn what I did or what I have been through (messing up with everything you can imagine islamey,petrushka,gaspard,la campanella,put the difficult pieces here and so on) then I had to go back to all basic..back inventions,sinfonias mozart sonatas and everything until you are up to the point where you can perform the damn la campanella.

I would suggest you with all my respects to get a decent piano teacher and work it up 2 ways
1st pieces that you can surely play them in your sleep..no technical difficulties whatsoever and try to polish everything as much as you can
2nd pieces that are above your level...to pull yourself up to it..to push yourself harder at the piano
and when 2 sides of the tunnel meet..then the sky is the limit.

Just my 2centz  8) 8)
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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #19 on: October 05, 2008, 05:23:17 PM »
lol  8)

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #20 on: October 05, 2008, 06:20:29 PM »
I would have to sit at piano for 12 hours practising to polish those pieces if i were in your position right now  8)

And this every day for 10 years.

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #21 on: October 05, 2008, 09:20:04 PM »
This poster had posted in Students' Corner too.
I offered him my advice too and it sounded very similar to what pretty much all of you are posting here, but it doesn't seem like he took any of it.

Why he refuses to listen to us is beyond me.  I don't think we should mock him, it might discourage him too much as he seems to put too much effort into this to really be just a troll.   But he really needs to understand that some of us are genuinely trying to help.

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«Reply #22 on: October 06, 2008, 12:52:21 PM »
This poster had posted in Students' Corner too.
I offered him my advice too and it sounded very similar to what pretty much all of you are posting here, but it doesn't seem like he took any of it.

Why he refuses to listen to us is beyond me.  I don't think we should mock him, it might discourage him too much as he seems to put too much effort into this to really be just a troll.   But he really needs to understand that some of us are genuinely trying to help.

That's just too bad.  :'(
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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #23 on: January 24, 2009, 06:36:30 PM »
Let the revival begin!

For some unknown reason I found myself listening to his fine interpretations of La Campanella on Youtube to discover that he has made considerable progress by boldly practicing the piece for three more months.



Or not.

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #24 on: January 24, 2009, 07:39:29 PM »
Bernard is a special guy!  Very special!

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #25 on: January 24, 2009, 11:44:56 PM »
Hi, Bernard
I admire your attempt at such a difficult piece.  It helps to listen to other recordings of this. It will also help to take small sections to practice at a time, even 1 or 2 measures of the hardest parts.  My hands are too small for Liszt, and I envy you the size of your  hands.
 Czerny and Hanon as exercises, and remember to grab a little with the tips of your fingers (they should be rounded, not flat) for the large intervals and keep a flexible wrist to avoid fatigue,but don't allow your wrist to sag down below the level of the keys.  If you are tall,  make sure you are sitting far away enough from the keyboard. It  will help with hand mobility. 
  I play both an acoustic grand and a Kurzweil, and the electronic can keep up very well with me.  Make sure you get good action on your keys, and when you try it out,  play all dynamics and speeds to make sure your new keyboard will keep up with you.
     Good luck

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #26 on: January 27, 2009, 09:41:55 PM »
Let the revival begin!

For some unknown reason I found myself listening to his fine interpretations of La Campanella on Youtube to discover that he has made considerable progress by boldly practicing the piece for three more months.



Or not.

i had progress ,i practised alot

Bernard

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Re: My playing of La campanella-excerpt-learning 6 months
«Reply #27 on: January 27, 2009, 10:24:50 PM »
I have to ask that can you really honestly say that you think that this recording of yours even remotely resembles, for example... say Kissin's playing?
Well I guess that it's good that you didn't have any greater interruptions or stops while playing, but really this can't be put any more delicately.
Please practise something easier. After 6 months I would've thought that you had somewhat better touch to this piece.
Or you can keep up with the ignoring and removing any wrong comment on your videos. That's weak man..

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«Reply #28 on: January 28, 2009, 11:57:51 AM »
tahn you publish better recording and we will see  ;D okay?

Bernard

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«Reply #29 on: January 28, 2009, 01:49:04 PM »
Even if I recorded it, would it make your recording sound better? Yeah, I thought so too.

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«Reply #30 on: January 28, 2009, 03:26:34 PM »
i had progress ,i practised alot

Bernard

Wow that's a very intriguing point of view Bernard. Are you sure it was not talent?

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«Reply #31 on: June 05, 2009, 06:22:10 PM »
It is my quest to present you with the new achievements of this fine artist. After 4 more months of tremendous practicing (the grand total is 13 months) a brand new interpretation of campanella is out!



enjoy!


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«Reply #32 on: June 05, 2009, 06:41:46 PM »
It is my quest to present you with the new achievements of this fine artist. After 4 more months of tremendous practicing (the grand total is 13 months) a brand new interpretation of campanella is out!



enjoy!


I'm sorry, but watching that feels like watching someone tripping and falling down a mountain, who in the first place, attempted to climb it with nothing but a fork and a pair of jeans.
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«Reply #33 on: June 06, 2009, 10:20:09 AM »
That newer interpretation is actually pretty good. I enjoyed it.

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«Reply #34 on: June 11, 2009, 04:09:03 AM »
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Thats better. He gets a good workout as well with the body moving at 0:30
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«Reply #35 on: June 11, 2009, 12:54:24 PM »
This hurts my ears.

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«Reply #36 on: June 12, 2009, 09:32:15 PM »
That newer interpretation is actually pretty good. I enjoyed it.

hahaha, you just made my day. You were being sarcastic were you??? Let's hope so.... ;)

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«Reply #37 on: July 06, 2009, 01:45:37 PM »
My comment may sound a bit rude for you. You must find some pieces more suitable for you. Avoid Liszt's difficult pieces. You must build your technique before taking a piece as hard as La Campanella, and technique doesn't come instantly.
Two years learning is not enough for this difficult song. Try to find a piano teacher and work on easier pieces. You can't jump from the first floor to the tenth floor without stairs, can't you? Practice is like stairs from the easy pieces to difficult pieces, so be patient on practicing.
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