Why can't you see?

[debussy symbolism]

Mccain is bad okay.

Why can't you people see that? He will be worse than Bush. Will make more distress and consternation in America. It doesn't matter how many votes the candidate gets, the governent will fake votes to get him elected.

[debussy symbolism]

Republicans will not allow democracy to get through. I sense that everthing is determined by a cabaal. Mccain will just be a worse extension of Bush.

[Bob]

How old are you debussy?  Just curious.

[debussy symbolism]

Umm what difference would that make? Unlike you Bob, I don't spend my time dicking around this forum in word threads. Voice your opinion please.

[lisztisforkids]

Wow... Are you really that stupid? How old are you really? Bob has a really good question..... What makes you think or how do you think that our government with a majority of dems in the congress will get Mccain elected? Curiously I think that even though Mccain is bad, he is no where near as bad as Bush. At least Mccain stands up to his party when he believes its the right thing to do like on the issues of torture and immigration. Thats a pretty zany thing to say that Mccain is worse than Bush, has the Obama fairys been whispering in your ear at night giving you nightmares? (by the way I am a ardent Obama supporter, I just dont support some of his tactics) where do you come up witht the idea that he is worse?

 You should be happy its Mccain and not Huckabee or Romney than we be really screwed over.

 You sound like one of those "Peacefull protesters" thats been rioting and torching things at the Republican convention. What we need are coherent rational arguments not a bunch of kids throwing a hissy fit.

 Leave Bob alone, why do you get so defensive over a question? Youll probaly come back with some gibberish about how im just stuppid or maybe even a fascist when all I really want is a end to hissy fit politics.

[m]

Curiously I think that even though Mccain is bad, he is no where near as bad as Bush.

Well, considering he was supporting Bush on 90% I'd agree he is 10% better than Bush, if it makes any difference.

But frankly, the VP he's chosen, at the moment looks like much more scary stuff.

Best, M

[pianochick93]

Sorry, this isn't a good contibution to the discussion but I was confused for a while as in Australia McCain is a brand of frozen food. Then I actually read the post properly 

*gets back in her box*

[mike_lang]

How old are you debussy?  Just curious.

Old enough that he shouldn't still be living with his mother, methinks...

[Bob]

Pleasant guy debussy.

I wonder why people attempt to force information on others by insulting them.

I'm guessing early 20s, maybe 23?, or maybe 15.   Old enough to be concerned, but I wonder if he can vote.  If debussy isn't American, then I would guess whoever the next president is, he would hate.

(Bob wanders off and continues to dick around on the forum.)

[Bob]

(Bob returns with a 10 foot pole and attempts to poke debussy, just to see what would happen.  He prepares to say, "Croakie!")

[debussy symbolism]

Wow... Are you really that stupid? How old are you really? Bob has a really good question..... What makes you think or how do you think that our government with a majority of dems in the congress will get Mccain elected? Curiously I think that even though Mccain is bad, he is no where near as bad as Bush. At least Mccain stands up to his party when he believes its the right thing to do like on the issues of torture and immigration. Thats a pretty zany thing to say that Mccain is worse than Bush, has the Obama fairys been whispering in your ear at night giving you nightmares? (by the way I am a ardent Obama supporter, I just dont support some of his tactics) where do you come up witht the idea that he is worse?

 You should be happy its Mccain and not Huckabee or Romney than we be really screwed over.

 You sound like one of those "Peacefull protesters" thats been rioting and torching things at the Republican convention. What we need are coherent rational arguments not a bunch of kids throwing a hissy fit.

 Leave Bob alone, why do you get so defensive over a question? Youll probaly come back with some gibberish about how im just stuppid or maybe even a fascist when all I really want is a end to hissy fit politics.

Please keep your invectives aside. It doesn't matter how many dems there are. The polls are rigged. What makes you think the government would want a political shift? Whatever agenda they have they would pursue. Nowhere near as bad as Bush? Bush is in full support of him. The irony about him being against torture is that he was against the bill to ban waterboarding. Believe me I am not for any candidate right now. It is just that Mccain is far worse.

I don't care about how stupid you may or may not be, and I do not wish to invest my time arguing, but lets face the facts.

And are you aware that Mccain is pro war? What is so logical and rational about pursuing a war in Iraq, which he supports? And guess what? He would logically initiate more wars as well.

[debussy symbolism]

Old enough that he shouldn't still be living with his mother, methinks...

Ummm okay there. Way to go in discrediting my ideas.

Pleasant guy debussy.

I wonder why people attempt to force information on others by insulting them.

I'm guessing early 20s, maybe 23?, or maybe 15.   Old enough to be concerned, but I wonder if he can vote.  If debussy isn't American, then I would guess whoever the next president is, he would hate.

(Bob wanders off and continues to dick around on the forum.)

Bob, I never initiated an offense...not until you started harrassing me concerning my age. At least I am concerned, and so would you when you are drafted for some good for nil war and get your brains blasted all over the country. I am of course exaggerating but you should understand the notion.

[debussy symbolism]

Hey Bob, how old are you?

[thalbergmad]

Old enough that he shouldn't still be living with his mother

I still do and i'm 43.

Her cooking is just too good.

Thal

[communist]

this is because of what happened in the chat room the other day right 

[lucylucy]

OBAMA GO OBAMAAAA

[shortyshort]

No one cares what Debussy thinks.

Debussy and all his other pseudonyms are just out to try and shock.

I have met many of his type/persuasion before.

[debussy symbolism]

No one cares what Debussy thinks.

Debussy and all his other pseudonyms are just out to try and shock.

I have met many of his type/persuasion before.

How is it that nitwits like yourselves manage to ruin a thread, whilst those that could provide a reasonable argument don't post? Has this forum completely deteriorated the couple of braincells that were there just before you joined here? I am sorry for attacking you but care to name my other pseudonyms that I am supposed to use to shock you?

[minor9th]

McCain doesn't butcher the English language as severely as Bush does; otherwise, he's not much of an improvement.

[Bob]

(Bob puts on an outback hat, steps up to the microphone, taps it a few times to see if it's working, clears his thoughts, and speaks... "Ahem... Croakie!")

I'm older than college, younger than retirement.  Old enough to vote.

Most people on this site are teens.  There are a lot who a not from the U.S.  ... Lotta people who can't vote. 

I'm just surprised how people can have such strong feelings about it all.  And then people who try to convince others by insulting them.  Why can't you see?... You people... My brain shuts off.  Such is the internets I guess.

I think Thal knows what's up.  Good food.  Good food. 

I've had my amusement for the day.  This reminds me a lot of the time I told a kid, "Hey Billy, you're really misbehaving."  And then spoke along with him on the response, "No!  ***You're*** misbehaving."  Funny.

I'm sorry Debussy.  I'm sorry if I insulted you.  Rant away.  I'm leaving the thread alone and won't ruin it anymore.

(Bob leaves to go dick around in more pleasant threads... No... Bob goes to go ruin more threads... whist dicking around... whilst whilsting and contemplating moving back in with his mother for the good food.  There is overnight shipping... Hmm... )

[rc]

hahah!  Bobs question wasn't a harassment, I'm sure he was genuinely curious, he's a genuine sort of fellow.  Maybe trying to confirm a suspicion, because your opinion sounds similar to countless other younguns who've recently discovered politics.  Then your defensive replies (all your replies actually), also make you seem pretty young.  A slightly over sensitive little guy.

I'm just musing through.  Have fun

[debussy symbolism]

Okay, lets clear up something. Yes, I am not experienced in politics, and am young. However, that doesn't make me uneducated. I only posted what I felt after doing some research. I got upset because Bob wasn't taking me at all seriously.

[rc]

Of course it's not like young people aren't entitled to opinions.  I remember getting into political arguements at the dinner table, me and my brother against my Dad and stepmom (classic showdown).  I don't remember what we were talking about, but my stepmom kept saying "you're so naive, you don't understand at all" ...  Well at that point all we can be are two sides yelling their opinions at each other.

One thing I learned from my Dad is how little I know   Whether or not I agreed with his view, he had a lot to back up his perspective, I had almost nothing.  Then when it came time to vote and I looked at the party platforms, I also realized I didn't know enough on a lot of the issues to be able to really KNOW what was better.  One party wants to give more money to healthcare, another wants to restructure the healthcare system - how am I supposed to know what would be the better approach?  I don't think I can.  I only vote by my values and what's important to me - things I can understand.

One thing I've learned from talking to other people, reading articles and various internet forums is that there are many different - and equally plausible, views out there.  It's not so black and white.

DS, my thought is that your way of presenting your arguement may have gotten in the way of whatever you wanted to debate.  It's like Bob said, you came in guns blazing, hitting the reader over the head with your view.  Bob also made a good point that this forum may not be the best place to look for political discussion.  Nothing wrong with it, just that there are probably more politically oriented (American) forums out there (that would be going crazy right now.)

[Petter]

I don´t know about you but I am voting republican.

[m]

I don´t know about you but I am voting republican.

May I ask WHY?

Do you believe the economical and political hole the country went in last 8 years is not deep enough?

[Petter]

It´s a sarcastic link. I´m not american. (Thank god  )

[cmg]

Maybe trying to confirm a suspicion, because your opinion sounds similar to countless other younguns who've recently discovered politics.  Then your defensive replies (all your replies actually), also make you seem pretty young.  A slightly over sensitive little guy.

I'm just musing through.  Have fun

Well, being a "youngun" is no sin and not every person who's not young thinks McCain is a good choice.  In fact, polls seems to indicate that approximately 50% of the voting population think McCain is NOT a good choice.

And, what's wrong with being passionate about politics the way debussy is?  The passion of college-aged students in America ended the ruinous Vietnam War in the 1970s and brought down Richard Nixon's "imperialistic" presidency.  Thank you very much.  And we have another Vietnam called Iraq, but no one's fussing because there's no draft and the rich and privileged aren't getting their weenies blown off.  Just the poor underclass.

I say bring on the passion.  Particularly because of McCain's cynical choice of running mate:   a self-serving, gets-her-positions-from-the-current-opinion-polls, who inserts God and Christ into a process that shouldn't deal with such undebatable matters, and who's an openly homophobic former beauty queen.  This monster calls herself a "Christian?"  McCain proves what debussy has observed:  Candidates are no longer STATESMEN who use political strategies to get elected, but are ONLY politicians who use racial and religious hatreds in America to get elected.  Statesmenship is a lost ideal.

McCain and Palen are among these common slimy creatures.

Yes, Obama is a politician and perhaps won't be any better than the previous piles of trash who have ruined this country.

But, at the very least, he doesn't seem to be one of these so called patriotic, hypocritical Christian, homophobic, racist warmongers who are totally owned by oil interests.

America's going under thanks to Bushie policies.  That's obvious.  Why would anyone perpetuate it with McCain, who, as marik pointed out above, has voted for Bush policies 90% of the time.  You call that change?

Okay.  Back to the debate.  Get off debussy's back.

Now, Bob, stick your dick in this thread.  I, personally, enjoy hearing from you. 

[rc]

Giving a damn is cool, opinions are fine.  I'm not sure if being overly passionate helps or clouds the message though.  My thought is that it speaks best to those who already share the disposition, sometimes we can get carried away and the passion will actually turn people off. 

Okay.  Back to the debate.  Get off debussy's back.

Done.

[general disarray]

Giving a damn is cool, opinions are fine.  I'm not sure if being overly passionate helps or clouds the message though.  My thought is that it speaks best to those who already share the disposition, sometimes we can get carried away and the passion will actually turn people off. 

Done.

You're a good egg, rc.   

[thalbergmad]

Yes, Obama is a politician and perhaps won't be any better than the previous piles of trash who have ruined this country.
 

Obama does remind me slightly of President Blair who ruined my Country. A bit smarmy with a false permagrin. As a Brit, i am interested in what will happen in American Elections as it will affect the rest of the world.

Whatever happened to Arnie? Why is he not President? Would not be the first time you Yanks elected an actor.

I think if I was American i would probably vote for Obama. He seems less likely to start World War 3.

Thal

Thal

[general disarray]

Whatever happened to Arnie? Why is he not President? Would not be the first time you Yanks elected an actor.



Thal

Thal

Pretty sure you have to born on these soggy, inflated, greed-ridden shores to be eligible for presidential office.  Arnie's Austrian, right?  He can be a bodybuilder, a bozo, a bimbo, an actor, a governor, but he can't be prez. 

Odd, when you think of it:  you can have any kind of mental deformity imaginable and run for president, but you can't be foreign born.  Heh.

[morningstar]

"I'll be back"...sorry. Leaving now.

[Bob]

Would a country elect someone who wasn't born in their country?  At least born to parents to that country, not necessarily inside the borders.

[morningstar]

I dunno if this is correct, I'm probably way off and please don't tear me apart if I'm wrong but is Obama originally from Hawaii or something? I don't think they would absolutely have to have been born in the country that they're running for the leadership of but it would certainly help. I mean in Australia you need a citizenship but don't have to be born here...I think. Definitely not my strong suit

[bballpianist]

I dunno if this is correct, I'm probably way off and please don't tear me apart if I'm wrong but is Obama originally from Hawaii or something? I don't think they would absolutely have to have been born in the country that they're running for the leadership of but it would certainly help. I mean in Australia you need a citizenship but don't have to be born here...I think. Definitely not my strong suit

Hawaii is part of the US. It's just not part of the continental US.

[morningstar]

Hawaii is part of the US. It's just not part of the continental US.

Ah. So Obama is US born and bred then?

[Bob]

Born at least.  Imagine the oops if they found that out now. 

I think he was educated somewhere in Indoneasia (sp?) or Asia or the Middle East. 

[morningstar]

Born at least.  Imagine the oops if they found that out now. 

I think he was educated somewhere in Indoneasia (sp?) or Asia or the Middle East. 

Yeah but they probably would have used that early on to get him out of the running quickly. Then again it makes sense so maybe that's why it hasn't happened yet

[rc]

You're a good egg, rc.   

*salutes*

Thanks

Canada now has an election coming up.  I've been reading some opinions on the net and we can be just as vehement up here.  It's interesting to think about, there are all kinds of different attitudes towards politics.  I've heard some pretty outlandish things and I sometimes wonder where people get their information.  The other day a friend was raving, he seemed to think that the reason CBC radio recently changed was because the Prime Minister doesn't like classical music.  I'm not sure where he got that idea, and I don't think he knows either.

[morningstar]

*salutes*
Thanks
Canada now has an election coming up.  I've been reading some opinions on the net and we can be just as vehement up here.  It's interesting to think about, there are all kinds of different attitudes towards politics.  I've heard some pretty outlandish things and I sometimes wonder where people get their information.  The other day a friend was raving, he seemed to think that the reason CBC radio recently changed was because the Prime Minister doesn't like classical music.  I'm not sure where he got that idea, and I don't think he knows either.

It is amazing what happens to places coming up to an election.