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Offline loonbohol

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Let us start the new era of music
on: November 01, 2008, 10:31:54 AM
Baroque (1600-1700) started by John Dunstable
Classical(1700-1800) started by Johann Sebastian Bach
Romantic(1800-1900) started by Ludwig Van beethoven
Modern(1900-???) started by Claude Debussy or Mahler ???(Debated)???
????????(???-???)

Let us now make end to the modern period.
What will we name the era for today and what can you think?

What will music be in the year 2030?
What will be the genre popular?
Who will start this period?

I wan't you to extrapolate I wan't you to imagine and feel the music.
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #1 on: November 01, 2008, 11:16:24 AM
Acording to Schoernberg Brahms started the modern era (very debatable) and personally i wouldn't say Bach started the classical period his stuff is very baroque in its writing, Handel was closer to classical than Bach.

But i think electronic music will continue to make an impact on classical music so i think electronic music is the way foward and i think someone someday will do something great with microtones and make them mainstream
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #2 on: November 01, 2008, 04:22:28 PM
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #3 on: November 01, 2008, 06:15:13 PM
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #4 on: November 01, 2008, 06:43:33 PM
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Baroque (1600-1700) started by John Dunstable

You mean the John Dunstable who died in about 1450?

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Classical(1700-1800) started by Johann Sebastian Bach

Erm, yeah, whatever.

And the modern period includes Chopin, Dvorak and Brahms - it must be true because I've got a book called 'Studies in Modern Music' that features all three of them. Oh, it was published in the 1890s.
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #5 on: November 01, 2008, 11:56:19 PM
Baroque (1600-1700) started by John Dunstable
Classical(1700-1800) started by Johann Sebastian Bach
Romantic(1800-1900) started by Ludwig Van beethoven
Modern(1900-???) started by Claude Debussy or Mahler ???(Debated)???
????????(???-???)

Let us now make end to the modern period.
What will we name the era for today and what can you think?

What will music be in the year 2030?
What will be the genre popular?
Who will start this period?

I wan't you to extrapolate I wan't you to imagine and feel the music.

Get your facts straight before trying to criticize modern music.

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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #6 on: November 02, 2008, 12:28:11 AM
Get your facts straight before trying to criticize modern music.

He's not trying to criticize modern LOL. But I agree, there's something wrong with the facts.

loonbohol, check your history.  ::)

In sociology class, we used the term "postmodern" for the present time. It has stuck with me ever since. But I think the world is changing fast and we'll soon find us in "post-postmodern" or "neoromantic (as opposed to neoclassical)."

I would be glad to live in the neoromantic era.

Just intonation will come back, I hope to hear works in that tuning, also well-temperament. Plus more people will learn the Indian Classical style, and some will dabble with microtones. This gives us several options for tuning. 12-tone equal temperament will be unpopular,  :-X since people will be excited about the different possibilities.

Computers/ electronics will be part of the orchestra.
Operas will be recorded and shown in theaters worldwide. Maybe even concerts. (Recording is the in thing.)
There will be Hanon wars  ::) that will start a revolution in piano teaching.
I will be the first neoromantic teacher and will teach my students different temperaments and how to use electronics.  :P Or maybe some Japanese teacher is already doing that...
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #7 on: November 02, 2008, 02:07:37 AM
Baroque (1600-1700) started by John Dunstable
Classical(1700-1800) started by Johann Sebastian Bach
Romantic(1800-1900) started by Ludwig Van beethoven
Modern(1900-???) started by Claude Debussy or Mahler ???(Debated)???
????????(???-???)

Let us now make end to the modern period.
What will we name the era for today and what can you think?

What will music be in the year 2030?
What will be the genre popular?
Who will start this period?

I wan't you to extrapolate I wan't you to imagine and feel the music.

This, ladies and gentlemen, epitomizes the misinformation and stupidity of mankind.
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #8 on: November 02, 2008, 02:36:00 AM
The authenticity era (1900-2008, started by Clara Schumann???)  ;D

Oh wait ...


I suggest we start an era based about improvisation combining all the features of the baroque, classical, romantic and modern eras, freely mixing atonality with tonality and polytonality, contrapunal techniques, jazz(!!) etc. etc. ad infinitum basically anything you can imagine  :)

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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #9 on: November 02, 2008, 03:10:36 AM

I suggest we start an era based about improvisation combining all the features of the baroque, classical, romantic and modern eras, freely mixing atonality with tonality and polytonality, contrapunal techniques, jazz(!!) etc. etc. ad infinitum basically anything you can imagine  :)

i've been doing that for a long time, more frequently lately after about 16 years off, mostly.

Maybe I should share...
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #10 on: November 02, 2008, 03:23:21 AM
I suggest we start an era based about improvisation combining all the features of the baroque, classical, romantic and modern eras, freely mixing atonality with tonality and polytonality, contrapunal techniques, jazz(!!) etc. etc. ad infinitum basically anything you can imagine  :)

I think some members of this forum would object to the jazz part...
But I say, BRING IT ON!!!
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #11 on: November 02, 2008, 04:35:20 AM
I think some members of this forum would object to the jazz part...
But I say, BRING IT ON!!!

Alright; compose me an atonal jazz fugue on the theme from "Gone with the wind". And it must be simple enough that someone who has never seen a piano before can play it perfectly by ear.

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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #12 on: November 02, 2008, 04:39:23 AM
And it must be simple enough that someone who has never seen a piano before can play it perfectly by ear.

I think that is impossible. I can't even play Happy Birthday by ear.  :-[
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #13 on: November 02, 2008, 05:08:08 AM
2000 - ____  the obsessed over copyright and originality era.

Quite evidenced by Microsoft's DRM movement. 


I'd like to see people creating works of art instead of trying to squeeze every last penny out of anything they can claim as their own and make a profit of.   
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #14 on: November 02, 2008, 05:10:18 AM
I'd like to see people creating works of art instead of trying to squeeze every last penny out of anything they can claim as their own and make a profit of.   

Seconded.
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #15 on: November 02, 2008, 08:44:55 AM
I'd like to see people creating works of art instead of trying to squeeze every last penny out of anything they can claim as their own and make a profit of.

That is one of the reasons why I despise Philip Glass and why I am starting to dislike John Adams more and more and more.

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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #16 on: November 02, 2008, 10:36:41 AM
This, ladies and gentlemen, epitomizes the misinformation and stupidity of mankind.


OK! What is with that.
The authenticity era (1900-2008, started by Clara Schumann???)  ;D

Oh wait ...


I suggest we start an era based about improvisation combining all the features of the baroque, classical, romantic and modern eras, freely mixing atonality with tonality and polytonality, contrapunal techniques, jazz(!!) etc. etc. ad infinitum basically anything you can imagine  :)

fine I wan't to enjoy with your fun too...
I will try to compose new types of rhythm.   ::)
I am trying to compose a composition which beat is not 3/4 or 4/4 but but 5/8  ::)
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #17 on: November 02, 2008, 10:48:25 AM
I am trying to compose a composition which beat is not 3/4 or 4/4 but but 5/8  ::)

Ever heard of Art Rock? Prog Metal? They've already done it. Scroll down this page to the part where it discusses odd time signatures:
https://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/music_styles/art_rock_part_1_-_progressive_concepts.html
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #18 on: November 02, 2008, 10:56:25 AM


OK! What is with that.
fine I wan't to enjoy with your fun too...
I will try to compose new types of rhythm.   ::)
I am trying to compose a composition which beat is not 3/4 or 4/4 but but 5/8  ::)

The authenticity era (1900-2008, started by Clara Schumann???)  ;D

Oh wait ...


I suggest we start an era based about improvisation combining all the features of the baroque, classical, romantic and modern eras, freely mixing atonality with tonality and polytonality, contrapunal techniques, jazz(!!) etc. etc. ad infinitum basically anything you can imagine  :)
I have made a spoofed version of Franz Liszt La Campanella and It could be cool.
this what will be composition in 2100 would be.  8)
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #19 on: November 02, 2008, 12:59:51 PM
Ever heard of Art Rock? Prog Metal? They've already done it.

yup been done pink floyds money is in 7/4 i think (1,2,3,1,2,3,4)

5/8 is not uncommon i know Bartok and Stravinsky both used 5/8 and loads of others will have too


I think jazz idea has already been done as well Frank Zappa frequently combined the 12 tone method with Jazz
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #20 on: November 02, 2008, 01:14:10 PM
i shall start the post soviet era of music  :D
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #21 on: November 02, 2008, 01:27:47 PM
post soviet?  would the piece break apart and then get shot at?  *hmm kind of sounds like a piece that would garner audience interest.


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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #22 on: November 02, 2008, 01:33:19 PM
is soviet music where the audience are blinfolded and then stood against wall whilst they hear the music?
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #23 on: November 02, 2008, 01:34:07 PM
is soviet music where the audience are blinfolded and then stood against wall whilst they hear the music?

That's sounds really exciting.
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #24 on: November 02, 2008, 05:23:23 PM
It's quite enough for me just to write the next piece...

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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #25 on: November 02, 2008, 05:38:02 PM
i said post soviet  :o
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #26 on: November 02, 2008, 10:23:37 PM
what about a post impressionist  :o ( or how about what ever we consider Richard Kastle )
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #27 on: November 02, 2008, 11:14:53 PM
i said post soviet  :o

I know but to be a post soviet there must have been a soviet period towards which my comment is directed
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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #28 on: November 02, 2008, 11:17:26 PM
If pianistimo was a composer (which she isn't), she could perhaps start a new trend by writing post count music...

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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #29 on: November 03, 2008, 12:17:17 AM
I know but to be a post soviet there must have been a soviet period towards which my comment is directed


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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #30 on: November 03, 2008, 01:05:53 AM
i shall start the post soviet era of music  :D

Already been done. Schnittke and Gubaidulina belong to this.

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Re: Let us start the new era of music
Reply #31 on: November 03, 2008, 06:52:34 AM
If pianistimo was a composer (which she isn't), she could perhaps start a new trend by writing post count music...

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