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Offline opus10no2

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The Winterwind Scale
« on: November 02, 2008, 02:18:47 AM »
Which is the best fingering? and what kind of sound does each achieve?
(rh)
1231234 is standard

1234123 makes micro-accents on the E which may be more pleasing to the ear

4545345 makes it a fun exercise and showoff trick

1212123 or 1313123 may be more even

1234512345 through the whole thing is like zooming through a speedbump zone but can be the fastest of all

1234523 is awesome too, proving the thumb isn't the only way...try 2345234 too

Fun can be had with this.
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Offline javacisnotrecognized

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #1 on: November 02, 2008, 02:26:47 AM »
Interlocking octaves

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #2 on: November 02, 2008, 02:37:42 AM »
Perhaps, sliding the G#-A would be a nice trick.

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Offline mikey6

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 02:53:41 PM »
Not sure, but I'm sure zlow practise would help whichever you choose ;)
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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 05:35:36 PM »
The only 'best' fingering for you is the one you concider to be the best. So try them all and do what you like, not much point for us to advice you on it.
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Offline queenrock

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 05:56:28 PM »
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what the hell is a Winterwind scale ??! :-\

Offline Kassaa

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 06:59:39 PM »
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what the hell is a Winterwind scale ??! :-\
Not a, but THE winterwind scale, Chopin's etude op. 25 no. 11, known as the Winterwind etude, ends with with a huge and very fast unisono scale in a minor (melodic).
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Offline franzliszt2

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #7 on: November 04, 2008, 08:16:38 PM »
I use 123 1234.

Learn it in every key with that fingering. That gets interesting.

I find experimenting with scales fun.

I wouldn't find 1234512345 fast for that scale....but this is the fastest fingering for chromatic scales when you can get away with breaking the legato. For example Wilde Jagd 2nd page scales, 54321 54321 and 12345 12345 in LH makes it possible to play in time.

My old teacher told me to use 1234512345 in the fast chromatic scale in Beethoven 4th concerto, but I dont like that. Best fingering for chromatic scales in my opinion is the one where you start put the thumb on everyother white note.


What about the evil scale in Prokofiev 7th sonata 1st mvt? Me and my teacher came up with some strange fingerings for that in my lesson today. There are loads of different fingerings for that.

What about 4th Scherzo scale? I think that is just the nicest thing to play. I find E major the easiest scale to play at extreme speeds.

Offline debussy symbolism

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #8 on: November 08, 2008, 06:48:20 PM »
I use 1231234 for r, and 54321321 for l. Standard scale.

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 08:58:40 PM »
Even trickier is the scale after the mazurka section of the Polonaise in F# minor, Op 44.

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #10 on: January 25, 2009, 12:35:09 PM »
That's easy...it's just 1234 and 4321 the whole way. You just need to know what position to land in, and then put the pedal down and off you go.

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #11 on: January 25, 2009, 07:25:03 PM »
Everyone should try 12345231234523.

It really works.
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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #12 on: January 25, 2009, 08:00:02 PM »
Everyone should try 12345231234523.

It really works.

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Offline mike_lang

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #13 on: January 27, 2009, 12:01:47 PM »
What is wrong with the standard fingering?   :o

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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #14 on: January 27, 2009, 11:42:42 PM »
What is wrong with running 100m in 10 seconds? Nothing.

Unless your name is Bolt.
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Re: The Winterwind Scale
«Reply #15 on: January 28, 2009, 10:20:10 AM »
What is wrong with running 100m in 10 seconds? Nothing.

Unless your name is Bolt.

LOL!!! good one