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Offline pianisten1989

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Bach
on: November 02, 2008, 09:06:21 PM
I though about this when I played the E-flat major, from WTC 2.

Who decided Bach would be played with a metronomic feel. And why?!
On the harpsichord they couldn't play forte or piano, only some kind of mf. They probably expressed themself in some way, and since they couldn't express with dynamics, they had to do it with rubato. Right?

Am I right, or is there any good explanation to why we play Bach without rubato?

Excuse my english, I am from sweden ^^

Offline communist

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Re: Bach
Reply #1 on: November 02, 2008, 09:40:41 PM
i do not think that they did rubato, but in Bach there it is very free how you can play it, because he composed it on a harpsichord and we are playing it on a piano. so it is very free how you can do the dynamics and tempo, so yes you could do rubato.

Excuse my english, I am from sweden ^^

Petter is swedish and his english is fine  >:(
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Offline j.s. bach the 534th

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Re: Bach
Reply #2 on: November 02, 2008, 10:43:34 PM
Excuse my english, I am from sweden ^^

There was nothing wrong with your English.

Who decided Bach would be played with a metronomic feel. And why?!

No single person decided that is how it has to be played. It seems that most people who perform Bach just do it that way.

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Re: Bach
Reply #3 on: November 02, 2008, 11:10:38 PM
Petter is swedish and his english is fine  >:(

thx, that´s is c00L u m3ntio3d
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Offline healdie

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Re: Bach
Reply #4 on: November 02, 2008, 11:28:01 PM
I think Bah is often performed metronomicly becuase many of his works (not all) have a very metronomical feel to them especially the inventions
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Offline communist

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Re: Bach
Reply #5 on: November 03, 2008, 12:20:36 AM
I think Bah is often performed metronomicly becuase many of his works (not all) have a very metronomical feel to them especially the inventions

were talking about Bach not Bah  >:(
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Re: Bach
Reply #6 on: November 03, 2008, 11:48:00 AM
sorry i must have turned into a sheep then  :-[
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Offline webern78

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Re: Bach
Reply #7 on: November 04, 2008, 12:57:16 AM
Who decided Bach would be played with a metronomic feel. And why?!

I think you are just don't understand Bach. Don't feel sad, you are not alone. BTW, plenty of musicians have tried the "rubato" approach. It usually sucks.

Offline pianisten1989

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Re: Bach
Reply #8 on: November 04, 2008, 06:53:46 AM
I think you are just don't understand Bach. Don't feel sad, you are not alone. BTW, plenty of musicians have tried the "rubato" approach. It usually sucks.

Ye, I don't think I do understand Bach... But that's why I made this topic :)
But I didn't mean like a Romantic rubato, with "taking time" on every note, but more like a Baroque-rubato. I listen to this lecture about the symbolics in Bach, and the woman who were talking about it played it perfectly, imo, with a perfect rubato all over the piece, without making it romantic.
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And if she, who understands Bach, plays it like that I'm hopefully not that unknown with Bach.

But still, since you probably understand Bach, how do you play it?

Offline gyzzzmo

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Re: Bach
Reply #9 on: November 04, 2008, 07:48:21 AM
I dont know if anybody from Bach's time wrote things about his music to 99% confirm today's perception on his music these days, but even from historical line and fellow barroque composers you can figure out how his music was played 'pretty likely' those days.


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Re: Bach
Reply #10 on: December 20, 2008, 03:01:07 PM
Well personally I don't feel rubato works particularly well with Bach but that's just my opinion.

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Re: Bach
Reply #11 on: December 20, 2008, 07:02:50 PM
and that's an opinion I think many people can agree with, xpjamiexd.
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