How long it takes?

[tsagari]

Hi,
I have a question for the more experience learners or teachers. My problem is that at a certain point when I am learning a piece if I increase the speed I can play the notes but the piece is not ok, meaning that my phrasing is not ok, ornaments are not clear, I play louder where should not etc. In sum when I increase tempo I loose control of my fingers, they do as they like. I am  wondering how you resulve this, by playing slow? but then for how long? I am wondering if I am doing something wrong during practice. My teacher says that what I consider as slow practice is actually fast practice.
Please help

[faulty_damper]

What exact pieces are you having difficulties with?  And what specific passages are you having troubles with?

(You don't play the piano with your fingers.  They are just the parts of your body that touch the piano.)

[tsagari]

I am practicing Schubert musical moment no3. Grace notes is a problem. When I am playing fast, grace comes lound. Also the double notes when playing fast they are not together. Finaly I tend to empasis the weak part of the meassure.

[pianisten1989]

Your teacher is right. You should play it Slow. Let's say the tempo is 100bpm, then you should be able to play the piece in all tempi between, say, 40 to 110. BUt Do not start with 110 bpm, start with 40. then, when all the notes "comes out" as you would like, you raise the tempo by 10ish.

When I practise, I play the piece slowly for 70% of the time. And I'm sure that more people do like that.

Also play it one hand at the time.

[tsagari]

Your teacher is right. You should play it Slow. Let's say the tempo is 100bpm, then you should be able to play the piece in all tempi between, say, 40 to 110. BUt Do not start with 110 bpm, start with 40. then, when all the notes "comes out" as you would like, you raise the tempo by 10ish.

When I practise, I play the piece slowly for 70% of the time. And I'm sure that more people do like that.

Also play it one hand at the time.

This is mainly what I do now. She said I should study HS at 60 for every 16een note and when I practice HT I do not go faster than 80 for every 8th note. But when I go to the lesson I feel so stressed if I have to play that slow. It is a matter of controling my speed but the music is in my mind the way I want to listent to it

[quantum]

I think you have a vision of the music in your head, but your technique is not yet sufficient to perform the demands of the creative part of your mind.  Sounds like your teacher is trying to get you to play slowly with attention to detail.  This will do you good.  Realize that what music sounds like during practicing is very different from what it sounds like in performance.  Practice and performance have very different goals.  You can't always play a piece the way you hear it in your head.  You have to include in the equation of interpretation your physical and technical limitations.  Everyone has them.  Make music with in your means.  Even if that means playing slower in order to achieve a musical result. Eventually your technique will develop to the point were you can achieve more control in technical passages.  Until then, be patient.  When one steps too far outside one's boundary of control, the music can start to sound and feel chaotic, unorganized, and forced. 

[tsagari]

I think you have a vision of the music in your head, but your technique is not yet sufficient to perform the demands of the creative part of your mind.  Sounds like your teacher is trying to get you to play slowly with attention to detail.  This will do you good.  Realize that what music sounds like during practicing is very different from what it sounds like in performance.  Practice and performance have very different goals.  You can't always play a piece the way you hear it in your head.  You have to include in the equation of interpretation your physical and technical limitations.  Everyone has them.  Make music with in your means.  Even if that means playing slower in order to achieve a musical result. Eventually your technique will develop to the point were you can achieve more control in technical passages.  Until then, be patient.  When one steps too far outside one's boundary of control, the music can start to sound and feel chaotic, unorganized, and forced. 

You are so wright. Sometimes I say to myself that I have to find beuty in my music even if it is slow as you said. And yes I am inpatient because I started piano at a mature age and because I do not know what is involved in piano learning thus I have insecurities.