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Offline etcetra

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Jazz :how to go beyond post-bop
on: January 11, 2009, 06:10:53 AM
I know there are quite a few jazz pianists here so I am going to post this anyways, even though it may not be classically related topic..

I've been listening to a lot of the newer pianist lately (Aaron Parks, Robert Glasper, David Kikoski.. etc) , and I feel like it's really hard to get info and insights into how they play & what they are doing . I hear bebop/post-bop in their playing but they've certainly moved beyond that.. I hear a lot of Brad-Mehldau-ism which I am not very familiar of.

I feel like I've spent enough time on bebop and some post-bop stuff.. learning & transcribing Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock solos, but the concept behind these new players alludes me.

I think its easy to kind of get stuck in that bebop/post-bob mold and its hard to move on. I know all the teachers I had are great, but they've certainly not moved beyond that style, and a good part of musicians I know are just comfortable where they are dong what they do.. its not important that they explore this kind of free-playing.

So how do people go about learning this 'new jazz'?? Do you have to move to New York to really get involved in this kind of music-making?

Offline Petter

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Re: Jazz :how to go beyond post-bop
Reply #1 on: January 13, 2009, 11:59:48 PM
I think alot of improvisation musicians have moved away from the concept of jazz as solely based on afroamerican tradition and blend with other genres alot. Like in the late 70s and early 80s when jazz drew from funk I know some look into colleborations with electro musicians and indie music.
 You should also look up the ECM label, there´s plenty of treasures to be find. There´s a swedish pianist called Bobo Stenson ie. that I admire alot.
https://www.amazon.com/Goodbye-Bobo-Stenson/dp/B0009VJZ1U
or the norwegian pianist Tord Gustavsen.
https://www.amazon.com/Being-There-Tord-Gustavsen-Trio/dp/B000NVL4EM/ref=pd_sim_m_4/185-6202019-0200414
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Re: Jazz :how to go beyond post-bop
Reply #2 on: January 14, 2009, 12:00:05 PM
Petter,

yea ECM has a lot of great artists, I can't keep up with them all..I've heard bobo Stetson before and he is great.   I've been listening to Marcin Wasilewski .. I guess my general impression is that these artists are comfortable playing more free.. and often in odd time signatures, and they are playing things beyond standard repritore.. which is cool.  It's more "pianistic" in a way.. 

I just wish there were ways to get involved in this kind of playing.  Not many people can play like that where I live,  and the teachers i had in college just weren't into that kind of stuff.

janborbe ,

I am not sure what that youtube link was about.. i guess you are new here.. and I understand whatever it is, its important for you.. but how is what you doing any different from spam mail, or annoying internet pop ups when you are posting response with a you tube link that has nothing to do with the topic? 

I see that you've posted the same response everywhere.. and to me that shows lack of respect and forum etiquette. I hope you can be more respectful to others in the forum. 
 

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