Completing my self-study composition course within One Year

[loonbohol]

Composing for the symphony is hard.
But this is even harder!

Problem #1 Pop beat

As you can see.
THere is a specific pattern intended for every pattern of each music when it is pop we'll there should a drum played at the right time at the right time.

You might not get what I mean but I learned drum notation but I don't know what type o drum beat should correspond to pop.

I am so interested to earn pop that I tried to search in the internet for the correct drum notation for the drum beat and so far I have not found any neccessary information.
Where do I learn.

OK! I can understand drum notation. So If you know drum beats or pop, ballad ,waltz.
send me as many notation as you can

This is the final step for the symphony so that it would be complete and become full-fledged.

Problem #2 MIDI

My last problem is the sullying of the violin.
If you try to play a note in the violin like a staccato or long time We'll it should sullen.
But when I encode in my MIDI we'll it does not sully at all.

And I can imagine how it would really sound in the real orchestra
was different in the MIDI.
THe MIDI has no energy no aura no emotions at all.

Problem #3

Are you familiar with the software MAGIX music maker^tm.
WE'll It has gone complicated we'll there is no guide at all.
WE'll If I am correct we'll this is the composing program similar to Kajiura's music was edited.
WE'll I used the money that I won and bought the software only to fund out that it is just a sound editing software.

As A proof It even claimed to have "Virtually Real to life instrument synthesizer".
obviously that statement refers to MIDI or similar to that.

Can you find a compositional software that is tried and tested.
And does not require real instrument recordings just pure input.
I would not worry about the price

===My plans===

I will start it this way.
I have learn music theory.

!!!ATTENTION LAWYERS AND COMPOSERS!!!
Read this at least 3X


So that I will get more Acquainted with modern music
I am going to reverse engineer this Kajiura's musical co
mposition.
Not play them in the piano.

I am going to stop composing for a while.

I am going to learn how to make the drum and encode all the violin notes on the musical composition software.

I am going to reverse engineer the composition for training and educational purpose.
Not playing them by ear.

I actually mean that I am going to figure out what instruments are used then figure out the notes notation and even the scale without even peeking at any existent notation and just on pure hearing.

Then I encode the notation on the musical compositional software and I try to make the input program that I encode identical to the real one.

It is like bringing a painting kit in the museum and trying to make a exact duplicate of a Mona Lisa painting using only a panting kit instead of a camera or sophisticated device.

I do not intend to declare it as my composition or for monetary gain or for public appearance.

Before you even let a lawyer lay a finger on me. (Read it thrice).
I wish you can understanding

Then progress to Level 2 reverse engineering

Then progress to Level 3

This is for video game composition.
Kajiura Yuki is a Genius since she does not need a group to compose something this complicated.

Then compose something.

+1st batch of compositions to compose+

Waltz
Fugue
Minuet
Sonata
Etude

+2nd Batch of compositions to compose+

Aeolian mode
Ionian mode
Lydian mode
Phrygian mode
Dorian mode
Mixolydian mode

+3rd Batch of compositions to compose+

Two instrument composition
then improvise it
Three instrument composition
then improvise it
Five instrument composition
then improvise it
To a Full fledge composition
then improvise it
into a Sci-fi sounding composition

THen I am going to turn my tone away from Kajiura.

I might look desperate.

But Can this method of self-taught composition can be achieved in one year or if not is it achievable.
If it sounds an impractical way to self-taught a person how to compose in any Video game.

And I know that Individual composers are rare in this modern world
especially in the world of songwriting or video gaming.

[term]

Kajiura Yuki is a Genius since she does not need a group to compose something this complicated.

^^

I might look desperate.

You do. Seriously: You can do all that useless crap or you can just go take a walk, calm down, return and improvise something.
If you lack individuality you're not going to gain it by throwing tons of theory at the problem. True creative impulse is in essence as un-intellectual as it can possibly be.
So you're going in the exact wrong direction, in my opinion, but i wish you luck.

[db05]

Problem #1 Pop beat

THere is a specific pattern intended for every pattern of each music when it is pop we'll there should a drum played at the right time at the right time. You might not get what I mean but I learned drum notation but I don't know what type o drum beat should correspond to pop. I am so interested to earn pop that I tried to search in the internet for the correct drum notation for the drum beat and so far I have not found any neccessary information.

Where do I learn.


Problem #2 MIDI

My last problem is the sullying of the violin. If you try to play a note in the violin like a staccato or long time We'll it should sullen. But when I encode in my MIDI we'll it does not sully at all.

And I can imagine how it would really sound in the real orchestra was different in the MIDI. THe MIDI has no energy no aura no emotions at all.

Problem #3

Are you familiar with the software MAGIX music maker^tm. WE'll It has gone complicated we'll there is no guide at all.
WE'll If I am correct we'll this is the composing program similar to Kajiura's music was edited. WE'll I used the money that I won and bought the software only to fund out that it is just a sound editing software. As A proof It even claimed to have "Virtually Real to life instrument synthesizer". obviously that statement refers to MIDI or similar to that.

Can you find a compositional software that is tried and tested. And does not require real instrument recordings just pure input. I would not worry about the price

Okay, okay. You sound desperate. BREATHE.

#1. You said you learned drum notation, right? And you have music software, right? Does it include drums? (Because I have separate software for piano/other, guitar and drums. Though I haven't tried the drums.) The thing is, it is differs depending on software. But I learned basic notation on paper and drum tabs (I took drum lessons for a while).

Listen to different types of music and pay attention to percussion and bass. I think you will get the hang of it. Try to search "drum tabs" and find a song you like. As long as you know the parts, you can notate it later.

#2 and #3. No idea. Basically all the programs I know use MIDI, which never sounds good enough. I hope you find a live amateur ensemble to work with. Who played your work before? Try to call them up when you have something. For now, work with the software you have, I doubt getting another is worth it.

[db05]

So that I will get more Acquainted with modern music
I am going to reverse engineer this Kajiura's musical composition.

Not play them in the piano.
Not playing them by ear.

I actually mean that I am going to figure out what instruments are used then figure out the notes notation and even the scale without even peeking at any existent notation and just on pure hearing.

Then I encode the notation on the musical compositional software and I try to make the input program that I encode identical to the real one.

Then compose something.

+1st batch of compositions to compose+

Waltz
Fugue
Minuet
Sonata
Etude

+2nd Batch of compositions to compose+

Aeolian mode
Ionian mode
Lydian mode
Phrygian mode
Dorian mode
Mixolydian mode

+3rd Batch of compositions to compose+

Two instrument composition
then improvise it
Three instrument composition
then improvise it
Five instrument composition
then improvise it
To a Full fledge composition
then improvise it
into a Sci-fi sounding composition

THen I am going to turn my tone away from Kajiura.

I might look desperate. But Can this method of self-taught composition can be achieved in one year or if not is it achievable. If it sounds an impractical way to self-taught a person how to compose in any Video game. And I know that Individual composers are rare in this modern world especially in the world of songwriting or video gaming.

1) I agree with the idea of decoding compositions for learning, but the way you'd be going is too tedious. If it's easy to pick out by ear on the piano, DO IT!!! No one will sue you unless you broadcast it.

2) It seems you want to learn orchestration first, then compose. I suggest going the other way around, because

a) a great composition would be great even with different orchestration ex. transcriptions, therefore I think composition is more important
b) If your software isn't good enough, then you lack the equipment to compose for different instruments. Make the best use of what you do have.
c) You know how the orchestra part of concertos/ symphonies are transcribed/ reduced to 1 or more pianos? And some piano pieces were arranged for orchestra. This might be a better way to start. Compose in piano notation, and arrange it for orchestra. Or get someone to arrange it for you.

3) Oh just compose what you want! Having plans laid out like that takes a bit out of the surprise and excitement of making music.

I'm pretty sure a Minuet is easier than a Fugue, though. Since I have an Oxford piano method book (for children) and it includes composing exercises - a few poems and a minuet. (But I prefer to use my own poems and write a waltz.  )

And don't get too hung up with the modes.

4) I really don't know how much one can achieve in a year's time, but writing a game soundtrack? 

[Bob]

For pop rhythms, you might find some answers, with notation, in beginner method books -- those for drum set, jazz, bass guitar, the rhythm section. 

[jabbz]

Waltzes, Minuets and Etudes are styles. not forms. I suggest specifically learning form, before writing flowery music like that. I also think you should think about modes long before you even dream of writing a fugue.

Before writing a fugue you should have a long previous study of counterpoint, harmony, contrapuntal technique, modulation, chromatic harmony and experience with contrapuntal texture. Write canons and the like before working on a fugue.

[simon_horsey]

Hey!

As everyone else has said: Stop. Open the window. Breathe!

I only have a short time so will post briefly about the software and try to come back to some of the other questions if i can.

If you are looking to write something that will be printed and used for live musicians to play eventually I'd look at Sibelius. It's very intuitive and the GM soundset is built in. You could also look at Garritan Personal Orchestra which is a plug-in that works with Siblius and other AU/VST compatible hosts.

If you are looking to write for the gaming industry most of your work will probably end up being recorded using a combination of synths and samplers. You will need some higher quality soundsets than the GM (General MIDI soundset though). If you have a Mac, and many people in the electronic composition industry do, (don't want to start a Mac/PC war here - just from my point of view) you I'd get Logic Express to start with - you can upgrade to Logic later on. There is a built in sampler and a couple of synths and a drum machine to get you going - plus lots of loops you can deconstruct or use as you wish.

If you are serious about learning orchestration have a look at this site

https://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45270

Gary Garritan (he who did the Garritan Personal Orchestra plug in - just search it on Google) has put the entire Rimsky-Korsakov Principles of Orchestration with audio files linked to the score examples. This is an AMAZING resource!

Hope this can get you started.... just remember to relax. Music really isn't a race!

[shinerl]

Hope this can get you started.... just remember to relax. Music really isn't a race!

When you talk of Video game music we'll it is a race against time.
When we talk about Songwriting it is about a race against the limitations of language.

You can see on the former forums a long time ago.
LOONBOHOL actually mentioned two qualities that a composer should have.
Proficiency and Prolificiency.

By the way. The Idea of decoding for compositions is a good idea and The first and second song that you are going to decode is relatively easy.
THe Third song is the one which is challenging.
Which requires more knowledge on Percussion.

I guess he really knows what he is doing.

But you are actually missing something
Let me ask you a few questions if you can really answer this.

Define Pop?

THat is the first thing that you should learn.

[loonbohol]

THis is the symphony that sounds so Kajiurian.
Sadly the type of sound that it shall sound on the real orchestra is different from what it sounds here because this is MIDI and

If you do not understand What I said then you are obviously stupid.
I only include the first movement and the second movement.
The third movement and the fourth movement are not yet fully-fledged due to lack of Knowledge of Pop beat

Do not spread this outside Pianostreet or Kajiura will step on me.
Shall you do it, spread it to music experts only for external aid purpose only.

It may not sound Kajiurian because the MIDI does not represent real instrument.
And there should be a pop beat in the first movement.
But If you examine the melody closely then you can conclude that it identical to Kajiura Yuki's compositions.

For pop rhythms, you might find some answers, with notation, in beginner method books -- those for drum set, jazz, bass guitar, the rhythm section. 

What book, What site?

[loonbohol]

Comment please.

[arensky]

Your music is not bad. For background music it's fine, and you seem to have a flair for counterpoint, although you may not know it. You should learn how to develop your material and try to write a really good melody. Don't over-intellectualize music. That's not what attracts most people. Keep writing, you clearly have something to say, I think you just need to find the "words". 

[shinerl]

You really are a good composer and You do have taste for constructing a symphony yourself.

But there are some things that make you one step backward.
It is that you are a 15 year old Filipino isn't it.
And Incidental music, Video game music do not exist in that place.

Songwriters sometimes even take some foreign songs and that would be the song.
Even if the audience do not know that that song was even from outside.
And the lyrics are the ones altered but permission of course.

Wake up LOONBOHOL, Composers never compose outside their country.
So YES you have the talent but your fate is sealed.

Filipino's are not interested on putting incidental music.
So THis is a wake up call.

Consider your fellow Composers who only uses Guitar and drums and repeats a pattern of chords.
Men, THose Filipino composers do not even know how to make their audience awake and bring them into the song.
India is better.

In reality, THere are no composers that they can just compose whatever they want.
Wake up, LOONBOHOL.

[db05]

You really are a good composer and You do have taste for constructing a symphony yourself.

But there are some things that make you one step backward.
It is that you are a 15 year old Filipino isn't it.
And Incidental music, Video game music do not exist in that place.

True, true.

loonbohol will have to live and study in a foreign country. Preferably Japan or the US, where they make games and movies. And I'm not saying he should go to a conservatory. Anything would do, as long as it is the right place at the right time.

Did you know that in the US, there is a Gamer Symphony Orchestra made of non-music majors? It is still a new group; maybe we could join someday.

[loonbohol]

True, true.

loonbohol will have to live and study in a foreign country. Preferably Japan or the US, where they make games and movies. And I'm not saying he should go to a conservatory. Anything would do, as long as it is the right place at the right time.

Did you know that in the US, there is a Gamer Symphony Orchestra made of non-music majors? It is still a new group; maybe we could join someday.

I will take it.
Are there any composers living in another country and compose there.
Non-at all.