Moszkowski Etude Fingering Help

[frank_48]

can someone tell me which fingering is better suited for speed and accuracy?

the 2,1 fingering is what my teacher assigned me with but now that im playing faster its a bit awkward doing a turn at those speeds i found that the 2,1 fingering is better suited  and flows naturally like the rest of the arpeggios, but im not sure.

2154 or 1254?

[jgallag]

2154? Remind me why you would do it the other way? There's no problem with putting the thumb on a black key, plus the whole purpose of this passage is to practice descending arpeggios. You should be using the same fingering you would use if you were to play each group as a chord.

[frank_48]

my teacher suggested turning at that segment, at the time i didnt think of a better fingering. gona be hard work getting that old one out of my head..

[jgallag]

Not really. Isolate the chord first, practicing the fingering over and over again, until you can do it ten times in a row perfectly. Then, add the left hand, so that you play those four notes and the next one ten times in a row perfectly. That shouldn't be too hard. Then, play the complete bar. If you're having trouble with that, you can lower it to five times in a row perfectly. After then, you'll keep adding bars on the beginning until you have a comfortable amount of the piece to get in to the problem area which you will be playing correctly now. Then, play the bar and add bars on the end, so you can make the smooth transition to the rest of the etude after the correction. If it doesn't stay permanent, repeat the process daily until you can't play it wrong anymore. With this particular etude (I've sightread it several times), that shouldn't be too painful. Especially this particular passage, it's one of the less confusing parts.

[quantum]

I find using similar fingerings to a repeated pattern better in the long run than using fingerings that initially feel more comfortable.  Better for memory, stability, and execution in fast passages.  Only in those very awkward places do I like to depart from the pattern.  In this case 5321 is much more linear and would take less twisting action than a 12 cross over. 

[frank_48]

Not really. Isolate the chord first, practicing the fingering over and over again, until you can do it ten times in a row perfectly. Then, add the left hand, so that you play those four notes and the next one ten times in a row perfectly. That shouldn't be too hard. Then, play the complete bar. If you're having trouble with that, you can lower it to five times in a row perfectly. After then, you'll keep adding bars on the beginning until you have a comfortable amount of the piece to get in to the problem area which you will be playing correctly now. Then, play the bar and add bars on the end, so you can make the smooth transition to the rest of the etude after the correction. If it doesn't stay permanent, repeat the process daily until you can't play it wrong anymore. With this particular etude (I've sightread it several times), that shouldn't be too painful. Especially this particular passage, it's one of the less confusing parts.

thankyou very much for that tip, i also found that taking a short nap after working on it helps to sever old connections in the brain and strengthen new ones.