How much money?

[illuminist]

Does anyone know how much money performers of the Philharmonia get paid?

another thing, does anyone know if it is possible do download theory books of
the internet?

[ahinton]

Does anyone know how much money performers of the Philharmonia get paid?

I imagine that, at the very least, the musicians themselves and their accountants and tax inspectors do...

Best,

Alistair

[pies]

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[soitainly]

 I can't answer your question directly, but a couple of years ago I sat next to someone dating a member of the Dallas Symphony Orchestra. The player was in the second violin section and I was told she was making 80k a year. I was floored, I always thought run of the mill symphony non-soloist would have to teach and do wedding gigs on the side to make a living, but apparently not.

[mikey6]

I can't answer your question directly, but a couple of years ago I sat next to someone dating a member of the Dallas Symphony Orchestra. The player was in the second violin section and I was told she was making 80k a year. I was floored, I always thought run of the mill symphony non-soloist would have to teach and do wedding gigs on the side to make a living, but apparently not.

If you're talking the Philharmonia based in London (I assume so) there's not point comparing UK orchestras to US.  The US have shite loads more funding.
A tutti string player for a professional Orchestra in the UK makes on around 25K a year, whether the Philharmonia offers more I don't know.

[ahinton]

Following on from the text of the most recent post here, the serious answer to the thread question is almost certainly "not enough"...

Best,

Alistair

[drpiano]

I can't answer your question directly, but a couple of years ago I sat next to someone dating a member of the Dallas Symphony Orchestra. The player was in the second violin section and I was told she was making 80k a year. I was floored, I always thought run of the mill symphony non-soloist would have to teach and do wedding gigs on the side to make a living, but apparently not.

This is a sad commentary on how classical musicians are viewed in our society. I don't mean this as a criticism of anyone in particular- but 'run-of-the-mill' symphony musicians are usually highly skilled and trained people, particularly in the larger orchestras. That such persons earning a decent salary should cause shock is unfortunate.
Imagine if 'run-of-the-mill' doctors had to work weekends at the local abattoir, or if 'run-of-the-mill' accountants had to tutor math just to make rent.

[mikey6]

I think it's the arts in general.  Look at the prize money of comps compared to sporting events! And you can't tell me that top level athletes do more work than top level musicians!  But that's another debate....

[drpiano]

I think there is something of a structural difference with competitions though.
Many sports competitions with large prizes are in fact for professional athletes (I am thinking of tennis, golf, etc.); on the other hand, classical music competitions (generally) purport to be career building opportunities. In theory, the audiences should be smaller where the participants are unknown (relatively.)

[Bob]

I've heard similar numbers to the 60K, but only through hearing.  Maybe 100K+ for the first chair players.  I was surprised when I heard it first too, thinking they are musicians, so they're poor and maybe they were making 30-40 grand a year doing that. 

I think it might go by section too.  First violins are one level.  Second violins a different level (less).

And I would think they're in a union.

[ahinton]

I've heard similar numbers to the 60K, but only through hearing.

Well that is surely the usual way to hear things...

And yes, they will be members of the UK Musicians' Union.

Best,

Alistair

[Bob]

From other people talking about it.  Not directly from a symphony player.