Minus one music for Mozart Piano Concerto No 23?

[zhibinchiam]

Hello everyone, I'm going to play the 2nd movement of Mozart's 23rd Piano Concerto, but without an orchestra, so does anyone here have the minus one music? Please do email me at chiamzb123@hotmail, thank you so much (:

[giannalinda]

 do u absolutely need the version of minus one or can it be another type?

[aslanov]

is there any other type gianna?
if so, please let me know, I'm looking for a concerto myself, thanks.

[lau]

and i am looking for the orchestra accompaniment for prokofiev  piano concerto no.1

[giannalinda]

https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/search?q=MOzart+23+concerto+Piano+Concerto


Try that....Im not sure what they call it in there but thats a good website with good music so... its worth a try. Hope that works out

[stephen22]

I'd love to know what you think of this. Created on Kontakt with EWQL symphony orchestra and my own sequencing software. Music played by a computer has advantages over a real orchestra: you can play it at any speed you want, and you can programme the computer to synchronise with your playing. And I don't think the music sounds at all bad.

There is a 51 second (at the speed I play it) piano solo before the recording starts,which I didn't think worth adding. I could alter the speed if you wished.

Stephen

[stephen22]

Don't mention it

[philiplu]

ahh, that's a nice piece, especially when played by Horowitz!

[claude_debussy]

Great job - it's actually instructive to hear the orchestral parts in isolation.

Btw, which EWQLSO version did you use? 

My only suggestion - add a subtle 'click track', perhaps the bass notes of the solo part, during silences, to guide tempo.   

Btw, I've found *all* the MMO recordings I've checked to be rhythmically inaccurate to the point of being nearly useless.   You may have carved out a new business for yourself here - why not try the opening movement now and post it for reactions - 

peace, Claude

[stephen22]

Thanks for your comments.

My orchestra is mostly from the original EWQLSO silver edition, though I recently bought the Gold Pro and made a few tweaks.

My 1st movement is not really fit for general human consumption at present, but I have made an accompaniment for my favourite concerto - the Brahms Bb - which is a bit more polished than the example above. For fun I am about to send it to MMO to see if they are interested in publishing it (I don't think it's available there - or anywhere else), but if as is likely they aren't, it may put in a appearance in this forum at a later date. I was actually planning to do what you suggested: put in a discreet tempo "reminder" during the piano solo passages.

Here is a taster from the 1st movement - including the fabulous lead up to the recapitulation.

[stephen22]

It's a snip! Don't know how long it will be at this price.

https://musicminusone.com/johannes-brahms-piano-concerto-no-2-in-bb-op-83.html


(Nov 30) Oops too late

[stephen22]

Can someone satisfy my curiosity?

I uploaded the above two orchestra-only tracks more than 5 years ago and people are still downloading them. (I'm not complaining).

How do people find these files?

[mussels_with_nutella]

Hi Stephen It might be that you don't appear again, like me, who appeared in Pianostreet after some years of inactivity, for (probably) not appearing again anymore in some years

And i have come to satisfy your curiosity!!!

I have arrived from the latest post of

https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1653545/Re:%20Orchestra%20backup%20tracks%20fo.html

which links here

P.D: By the way, won't you have the Rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto without piano/Only orchestra? you or however reads this!
YOU, READER!!!
YOU can satisfy my curiosity too by telling me if you have it and attaching it!!! thank you! hahaha

[stephen22]

Funnily enough I'm working on it right now, but it's for MMO. They are expensive but when it comes out later this year it should be cheaper because you'll be able to download it from MMO instead of buying the disc.

[mussels_with_nutella]

It's great to hear that! Funnily enough jajajaja
I will be waiting for that!

[stephen22]

If anyone is interested in how the Brahms 2nd should sound, I've uploaded the entire concerto, with piano (by Pianoteq) added. Amongst other things, it demonstrates the amazing versatility of the Pianoteq piano.

[louispodesta]

In that I own (for the record) "Music Minus One's version of this Concerto," which is the actual name of the product, I was highly suspect of this entire post.  After reading the posts of "Stephen 22," I am most certain that this entire post is a surreptitious attempt to promote a "for sale" product as an alternative to Music Minus One.

I am not a fan of Music Minus One, and I almost fell for the supposed tweaks "Stephen 22" promised.  Nevertheless, it still does not ring true to me.

Additionally, as proffered by the OP, I am available by PM, if you so desire further guidance on this great Mozart piece.

Hey, "Brother," I do not email you.  You email me by PM.

[stephen22]

What a magnificent conspiracy. (Though I'm not sure where the "for sale" element comes in).

For anyone who's interested, I am an amateur musician and this is actually my retirement hobby. I used to play Mozart PC 23 and my first uploaded audio file is from a piano-free version I knocked up for my own use on my computer. I'm thrilled to say that more than 1,400 people have been hoodwinked by my Machiavellian plot and downloaded it.

My Brahms 2 piano-free in the event was actually published by Music Minus One, which is why I didn't make the whole thing available here.  The second file was an excerpt (less popular, but it's a more tricky piece).

Recently for fun I revamped the Brahms and added a piano part. I thought the result was rather good, so I published the whole thing online. Why do I keep publishing these audio tracks? Because I want as many people as possible to listen to my music.

Sorry you're not a fan of MMO. It has its limitations and is expensive. But virtually none of the recordings of the great classical works (there are nearly 1,000 of them) made any money for Irv Kratka, the CEO recently retired, who regarded the classical side of his company as a sort of mission.

[dogperson]

What a magnificent conspiracy. (Though I'm not sure where the "for sale" element comes in).

For anyone who's interested, I am an amateur musician and this is actually my retirement hobby. I used to play Mozart PC 23 and my first uploaded audio file is from a piano-free version I knocked up for my own use on my computer. I'm thrilled to say that more than 1,400 people have been hoodwinked by my Machiavellian plot and downloaded it.

My Brahms 2 piano-free in the event was actually published by Music Minus One, which is why I didn't make the whole thing available here.  The second file was an excerpt (less popular, but it's a more tricky piece).

Recently for fun I revamped the Brahms and added a piano part. I thought the result was rather good, so I published the whole thing online. Why do I keep publishing these audio tracks? Because I want as many people as possible to listen to my music.

Sorry you're not a fan of MMO. It has its limitations and is expensive. But virtually none of the recordings of the great classical works (there are nearly 1,000 of them) made any money for Irv Kratka, the CEO recently retired, who regarded the classical side of his company as a sort of mission.

Not to fret, Louis sees a conspiracy in almost every new thread. 😟
 Thanks a lot for sharing your hard work 

[louispodesta]

If it was not a problem, and this person had his touted high level of ability, then why did he ask in the first place?  Are we to believe that he had nothing other to do in his busy day than to talk to us about this?

Further, with all the choices this person had on the Internet, why did he choose this website?

You just answered your own question.

Conspiracy is to high a level for this nonsense.  BS is the word!

[dogperson]

If it was not a problem, and this person had his touted high level of ability, then why did he ask in the first place?  Are we to believe that he had nothing other to do in his busy day than to talk to us about this?

Further, with all the choices this person had on the Internet, why did he choose this website?

You just answered your own question.

Conspiracy is to high a level for this nonsense.  BS is the word!

Stop the conspiracy with every new post!   There is nothing for sale; and really why he chose this website is of little concern to you. 

You need to stop the 007 spy act... it is not becoming and you do not play the part well.  If you think someone is not what they seem, THINK it... don't WRITE it.   Want to reject a free download, don't download.   Just quit TYPING your paranoia.

[georgey]

If it was not a problem, and this person had his touted high level of ability, then why did he ask in the first place?  Are we to believe that he had nothing other to do in his busy day than to talk to us about this?

Further, with all the choices this person had on the Internet, why did he choose this website?

You just answered your own question.

Conspiracy is to high a level for this nonsense.  BS is the word!

Mr. Podesta.

About 15 years ago, I caught myself having issues with paranoia.  I would react to something at work assuming a person was acting in bad faith, only to later discover that this was not the case after I received more information.   After catching myself doing this a few times, I came up with the following to correct my paranoia, AND IT WORKED!:

We all view things without knowing the complete picture.  We see someone make a decision or a request, for example, without knowing all the reasons for the decision or request.  What I decided to do in this case was look for POSSIBLE explanations (YOU NEED TO USE YOUR IMAGINATION!) for the decision or request, ranking them from the worst to the best.  I then always assumed the BEST case, until more information became available.  Then I would make new possible explanations for this decision or request with this new information, ranking them again from the worst to the best and then again assuming the BEST.

Example:  Someone that I never saw before asks me “What time is it?”  I can’t see if he has a watch on because he has a coat on.
Ranking them from worst to the best I come up with:

a)   He has a watch and does not need to know the time.  He is trying to distract me to steal my wallet.
b)   He has a watch and does not need to know the time.  He is trying to annoy me with his request.
c)   He doesn’t have a watch because he thoughtlessly forgot to bring it.  Why should I give someone who was thoughtless the time?
d)   He has a watch, but it is currently broken, perhaps in the repair shop.
e)   He has a watch, but he forgot it because he just learned that his son is in the hospital.  He needs to know the time to catch a bus to see his son.

I assume something like scenario "E" until more information is made available.  And so I give him the time with a smile.  Later as he walks away, I see that he actually does have a watch on his wrist!!  So with this new information I make up a new set of explanations (AGAIN, I STILL DON’T KNOW ALL THE FACTS).  First I check to make sure I have my wallet, and I do!  Here are my new possible explanations ranked in order:

a)   He has a watch and does not need to know the time.  He was trying to annoy me with his request.
b)   He forgot to wind his watch or replace the batteries.  Why did I give someone who was thoughtless the time?
c)   His just discovered that his watch stopped working, the poor guy, and he is going to see his son in the hospital.  

Now I assume something like scenario "C" until more information is made available.  In this case, I never saw him again.  I was very happy to help him by telling him the correct time.  

[stephen22]

I like the story.

What's BS, by the way? or don't I really want to know?

[louispodesta]

I like the story.

What's BS, by the way? or don't I really want to know?

Like all other Trolls responses, you just answered your own question.  If you are serious, then you can (as always open to all Posts) may inquire through PM.

Thank you for your interest.

[georgey]

I like the story.

What's BS, by the way? or don't I really want to know?

Applying my method described above, I do not know the reasons or motivation for this post, and so I use my imagination to try come up with scenarios ranking them from the worst to the best.  Also, having a sense of humor is very helpful here!

a)   The asker really knows what BS is, but is asking just to annoy.
b)   The asker really knows what BS is, but is asking just to be humorous in a good natured way.
c)   The asker really knows what BS is, but us asking to allow me to demonstrate my method in my response to the post.
d)   The asker does not know what BS is.

From my way of thinking, scenarios B, C and D are all about a tie and are 100% fine.  I will respond in a way that works for all three scenarios:

OP: I like the story.

Me: Thank you if you are referring to my “What time is it?” story.

OP: What's BS, by the way? or don't I really want to know?

Me: If I were to tell you that my “What time is it?” story actually happened, that would be BS.   My story was actually made up just to illustrate a point. 

[louispodesta]

As stated before, as a pianist/philosopher, my current designation is as a "Scientific Empiricist."  That means:  I cite sources for my argument.

Accordingly (specific to Music Minus One, which I own), I cite the following video of a pianist who chooses (some might say successfully) as an alternative method to learning a Concerto without two pianos or an Orchestra.

Parenthetically, I am most definitely not an aficionado of this particular artist.

[louispodesta]

Correction:

The paraphrase should read:  "Music Minus One, scores of which I own,"  My apologies.

[stephen22]

OK. It's what's brown, steams, and comes out of cows backwards. The Isle of Wight ferry.

(for the uninitiated, ferries to the Isle of Wight in southern UK dock in a port at Cowes. It's a joke better told than written. With thanks to Spike Milligan.)

PS d) was correct (isn't now, of course)

(PPS Isn't this forum supposed to be about pianos?)

[louispodesta]

OK. It's what's brown, steams, and comes out of cows backwards. The Isle of Wight ferry.

(for the uninitiated, ferries to the Isle of Wight in southern UK dock in a port at Cowes. It's a joke better told than written. With thanks to Spike Milligan.)

PS d) was correct (isn't now, of course)

(PPS Isn't this forum supposed to be about pianos?)

My five responses to this supposed genuine post, always utilizes my whole name (louispodesta). 

Then this is followed by ten responses from someone trying to promote something like (and maybe? the same) methodology associated with using pre-recorded Concertos

This, of course is to serve the purpose of learning said piece without a second teacher and most importantly, a second piano.

My solution is to bring together University Piano Faculty Members (who have all taught these Concertos), and then go from there.  The knowledge of how to teach this particular repertoire is not unavailable or unique, in my opinion.

[stephen22]

I have revamped Mozart PC 23 k488 (my skills have improved since 2009) and have posted a new version of the orchestra-only 2nd movement below. The more people play it the happier I shall be.

If you want to hear this movement as it should be played, have a look at

[louispodesta]

I have revamped Mozart PC 23 k488 (my skills have improved since 2009) and have posted a new version of the orchestra-only 2nd movement below. The more people play it the happier I shall be.

If you want to hear this movement as it should be played, have a look at

My video, which elucidates the difference between modern and "original" performance practice is as follows:

Hey, you broached the subject and not me.  And, (for the record) the "Music Minus One" version, (which I own) is not evenly remotely close to the "Original Performance" recording of Carl Reinecke, or for that matter the Alicia de Larrocha version on my video.

[mdejongh57]

The Brahms Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-flat major is no longer available from Music Minus One. Does anyone know how I can get a hold of the accompaniment tracks?

[stephen22]

Brahms 2nd PC piano-free

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kkWFRDU2qcHr5oispwKc7lUo4CSzyKW1?usp=sharing