resurrect one composer

[tanman]

if you could resurrect one composer from the dead, who would it be?

Scriabin definitely 

[indutrial]

Agreed on Scriabin, but I'd want him to be resurrected in his own time. Had he had 40-50 more years to work, there's no telling what wonders could have developed.

[go12_3]

    Oh, my!  What an interesting topic!    If I had to chose a composer, he has to be cheerful and charming, of course.  I'd like Chopin most of all, and then Bach because I love his works.....
Debussy and Beethoven , too.

Gee, we can throw a party for these fellows!       woo hoo!

best wishes,

go12_3

[retrouvailles]

Agreed on Scriabin, but I'd want him to be resurrected in his own time. Had he had 40-50 more years to work, there's no telling what wonders could have developed.

Chalk up another one for Scriabin. Had be been given another 5-10 years, he would have finished his massive piece Mysterium. And, according to him, it would have brought about the end of the world at its premiere!

[communist]

Felix Mendelssohn

[birba]

Felix Mendelssohn

Right on!  My choice, too.  He died so young.

[Petter]

Enheduana

[communist]

Enheduana

I am afraid she was not a composer 

[quirky]

Beethoven! Seeing as he was such a piano smasher in his day, I would love to see what he would do with our much more powerful pianos today!!!

 

[thalbergmad]

I would bring back Schumann, shoot him and then bury him again.

Thal

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Tausig. Died absurdly young.

[retrouvailles]

Tausig. Died absurdly young.

Another one who died absurdly young was Julian Scriabin, at 12 years old. I would bring them both back (father and son).

[pies]

a

[retrouvailles]

Also Eliot Cartyr, technically he's dead.

Not really. He's still composing very actively.

[pies]

a

[argerichfan]

Julius Reubke, student of Liszt, wrote an organ sonata which will live as long as there are organists around to play it.  Alas, he died at 24 and who knows how he might have developed.  His Piano Sonata is also of interest, though it has never gained any foothold in the repertoire.  But that's about all that survives...

[gep]

First and foremost JS Bach, at least long enough to rewrite all those pieces that have gone lost after his death (some 100 church cantatas, dozens of secular ones, tens of concertos, chamber works and whatnot and, of course, finish the Kunst der Fuge).
Monteverdi, to rewrite his lost operas.
Beethoven, who knows what he might have done with another 20 years or so.
Schubert, who knows what he might have done with another 50 years or so.
Bruckner, to finish the 9th and, who knows, give us a 10th.
Mahler, at least enough time to write his 15th symphony.
Pettersson, a few more symphonies would be good.

Eliot Cartyr

I guess you mean Elliott Carter? By the look of the thing, he'll still be composing in another 20 years or so. Wouldn't mind that, actually!

Now how about composers who are, as such, dead but still composing? Such as Philip Glass?

Gep

[retrouvailles]

Yeah, I like the last comment about Glass. Perhaps we should start a thread about composers who are alive, but should have died a long time ago. Glass is a nice start. He should have died around the mid 80s, when he started composing all of his crappy (crappier?) music.

[gep]

Well, I wouldn't say I would want Glass dead! I just think he's dead as a composer.
And he wrote Einstein on the beach before the 80's, I think?

But composers who are dead as composer?
Lloyd Webber?
Pärt?

Gep

[retrouvailles]

Pärt?

I don't like everything that he is doing nowadays, but there is definitely some value to the works he is composing today. He can make simplicity so powerful like no one else can. Glass tries to do that with his brand of minimalism, but it just doesn't work. Listen to a great work like Pärt's Magnificat and you'll be moved by it's stark and beautiful simplicity. The piece may never modulate, and it is completely diatonic, but it is still a masterwork.

Lloyd Webber can drop dead.

[antichrist]

fun topic!

I want to ressurect

Scriabin and Alkan the most

next to liszt ,rach,beeth,chopin..... lol

[scandenavius]

First and foremost the greatest person to ever compose for the piano, Rachmaninoff.

[frigo]

Puccini, to finish Turandot.
Beethoven, to give us the 10th,
Chopin, to live some good days with him, to show him some good moments that he didn't have, well as Schubert.

[lontano]

Mozart, if only to finish the Requiem, but also to continue composing along side Beethoven, and even, in old age, the young Chopin, Liszt and Mendelssohn. Imagine the synthesis of styles that might have arisen!  

But I really would be fascinated to see where Scriabin (father & son) would have gone had they both lived to ripe old age. However, "resurrecting" any composer into modern society would likely prove too problematic for one suddenly thrust into such a strange new world. I'd much prefer to imagine what they might have accomplished had they not died so young, often from diseases that could be cured with a few pills today (vs bloodletting  )...

L.

[accauditor]

J.S.Bach
his music gets more bueatifull and fresh everytime i listen to it and i listen to him daily.

[soitainly]

 I think I would have to say Mozart.

 As much as I like Bach, would he adapt to current mucial ideas and styles. He was pretty set in his way of composing, but he may have made made nice theme and variations on current tunes, interesting. I like Beethoven, but since he was so indiocyncratic, he probably would have given us more of the same, good stuff but nothing new.

 Mozart on the other hand was very fashionable and adaptable. I think he could have written great show and movie themes. Who knows how he would have taken to jazz or even rock. Mozart was just so good at tunes that I think he would be immensly popular today. Even his jingles would be fabulous.

[john11inc]

Barraque

[retrouvailles]

Barraque

Wouldn't he just get cast aside? The days of integral serialism have come and went.

[ahinton]

Wouldn't he just get cast aside? The days of integral serialism have come and went.

But then he might not write like that nowadays...

Best,

Alistair

[weissenberg2]

Tchaikovsky, Berg or Hindemith

[thalbergmad]

Leopold de Meyer

[pianowolfi]

Beethoven.

[john11inc]

Wouldn't he just get cast aside?

Just like Stravinsky did in 1914?

I wouldn't resurrect a composer so he could write more music.  I would want to resurrect a composer to learn more about him, and I want to know more about Barraque than there is information available to me.

But if I would, your non-point is just such either way.  Who do you want me to bring back to life?  Radulescu?  Because I guess he would still have a place in today's musical world.  Because, after all:

A- There are *only* Post-Impressionist, Spectralist, New Complexity and Manchester School composers,

and B- No composer, in history, has changed his style to keep current.

Maybe I will save my choice to bring back Philip Glass.  Or I'll waste it on Chausson or Merieux.  Maybe I will have a reason you don't understand or you will disagree with.  Also, are you seriously trying to start an argument about, uh... what composer I would use my magic genie lamp to wish back to life?


lulz

[cmg]

Esmerelda Hallucinata (1927-47), Spanish serialist who choked to death on a tone row.

[retrouvailles]

Esmerelda Hallucinata (1927-47), Spanish serialist who choked to death on a tone row.

Is this supposed to be a joke?

[retrouvailles]

Just like Stravinsky did in 1914?

I wouldn't resurrect a composer so he could write more music.  I would want to resurrect a composer to learn more about him, and I want to know more about Barraque than there is information available to me.

But if I would, your non-point is just such either way.  Who do you want me to bring back to life?  Radulescu?  Because I guess he would still have a place in today's musical world.  Because, after all:

A- There are *only* Post-Impressionist, Spectralist, New Complexity and Manchester School composers,

and B- No composer, in history, has changed his style to keep current.

Maybe I will save my choice to bring back Philip Glass.  Or I'll waste it on Chausson or Merieux.  Maybe I will have a reason you don't understand or you will disagree with.  Also, are you seriously trying to start an argument about, uh... what composer I would use my magic genie lamp to wish back to life?


lulz

Wow, touchy, touchy. I should know better than to provoke you, with your all-knowing genius.

[abj]

I wonder how happy any of these composers would be if they were suddenly thrust back into the world against their will, in order to compose music.

I would bring back Schubert. He didn't live love enough to reach his mature idiosyncrasy, like Beethoven. And a Schubert piano concerto would be nice.

[abj]

And certainly Scriabin. Ten or twenty more sonatas wouldn't do any harm!

[ahinton]

Just like Stravinsky did in 1914?

I wouldn't resurrect a composer so he could write more music.  I would want to resurrect a composer to learn more about him, and I want to know more about Barraque than there is information available to me.

Fair comment.

But if I would, your non-point is just such either way.  Who do you want me to bring back to life?  Radulescu?  Because I guess he would still have a place in today's musical world.  Because, after all:

A- There are *only* Post-Impressionist, Spectralist, New Complexity and Manchester School composers,

Oh dear - that cuts me out completely, then!...

and B- No composer, in history, has changed his style to keep current.

Arguably open to debate in at least a few cases, that one, methinks...

Maybe I will save my choice to bring back Philip Glass.

He hasn't departed this life yet, has he? (Please don;t answer that!)...

Or I'll waste it on Chausson

Why would that necessarily be a waste?

or Merieux

Do you mean Méreaux?

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

And certainly Scriabin. Ten or twenty more sonatas wouldn't do any harm!

OK, sentiment and its motivation accepted, but can't you be happy with the ten+ that we already have? I just listened to all ten played as a single programme by a member here and have to tell you that, for the first time (because this kind of presentation hardly ever happens) I founf the whole to be considerably more even that the sum of its already extraordinary parts...

Best,

Alistair

[retrouvailles]

And besides, how do we know that these composers would continue to write in the styles that they wrote in if we were to resurrect them? Who knows, Scriabin might become a close friend of Brian Ferneyhough (per say) and write music similar to his, for all we know! I think that would piss a lot of people off that would be expecting him to write another set of piano sonatas similar to his 10 extant ones.

[ahinton]

And besides, how do we know that these composers would continue to write in the styles that they wrote in if we were to resurrect them? Who knows, Scriabin might become a close friend of Brian Ferneyhough (per say) and write music similar to his, for all we know! I think that would piss a lot of people off that would be expecting him to write another set of piano sonatas similar to his 10 extant ones.

Indeed - I did suggest as much earlier, in respect of Barraqué. Ferneyabin? Time and Motion Sonatas? Vers la Flamme aux temps d'ombres? Mysteria Brevis? Suprometheuscriptio? Hmmm...

Best,

Alistair

[gyzzzmo]

Mozart, definitely.
I'm really curious what he would compose for grand piano's as they are today.

[pocho]

I'd like Chopin most of all..

I wouldn't bring back Chopin.

If he discovered the popularity of his Fantasie-Impomptu, he'd probably just die again.

[thalbergmad]

I'm really curious what he would compose for grand piano's as they are today.

Interesting, but i wonder if it would be the same as he composed for the grand piano as it was then.

I used to wonder what Bach would compose if we could bring him into the 21st century and sit him at an enormous 5 manual blow your brains out organ. Somehow, i don't think it would make any difference.

Thal

[nanabush]

Debussy

Book 3 of preludes, I can't even imagine how amazing that would be.  I'm just wondering what titles they'd get 

Or another set of images... or a piano concerto.

[redragon]

Tchaikovsky or Bergmuller.

[retrouvailles]

or a piano concerto.

He has a Fantasie for piano and orchestra already.

[antichrist]

Beethoven,I need his photo

Gershwin Scriabin, died too young

[gyzzzmo]

Interesting, but i wonder if it would be the same as he composed for the grand piano as it was then.

I used to wonder what Bach would compose if we could bring him into the 21st century and sit him at an enormous 5 manual blow your brains out organ. Somehow, i don't think it would make any difference.

Thal

As far as i know they had only pianoforte's in Mozarts time, wich gives a pretty different sound (and possibilities) than current piano's have. If you look at Mozart's orchestra composings, theyre very different than what he wrote for pianoforte. Mainly because it doesnt have a good wide range in sound (i think). Thats why i'm curious what he would have written if he had access to current piano's

About Bach, i dont think organs from that time arent THAT different from current ones, and his are all pretty much in one style. I dont think he'd really compose other things than he did then.

Gyzzzmo