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Topic: Brahms' Viola/Clarinet Sonatas  (Read 1789 times)

Offline acpiano

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Brahms' Viola/Clarinet Sonatas
on: June 22, 2009, 07:11:10 PM
What are the different issues for a pianist (you think) between performing Brahms' Sonata Op. 120 with a viola and a clarinet?  ::)

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Re: Brahms' Viola/Clarinet Sonatas
Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 09:27:25 PM
I found it much easier to play with the clarinet.  The viola has intonation problems and is lighter sounding.

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Re: Brahms' Viola/Clarinet Sonatas
Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 09:39:47 PM
As a violist, I find that it's easy for the viola to get buried under the piano. It doesn't help that many editions (if not all) have sections of the viola part transcribed an octave lower from what the clarinet would play, even though the original clarinet part is well withing the viola's range. I'm playing this sonata now (on viola) and I'm trying to do as much as possible in the octave written for the clarinet, since a higher sound is more likely to cut through the piano. As for intonation problems...  ;D
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Re: Brahms' Viola/Clarinet Sonatas
Reply #3 on: June 23, 2009, 05:30:39 AM
Only kidding!!  I'm sure you're aware of what they say about violists... :P
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Re: Brahms' Viola/Clarinet Sonatas
Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 02:49:19 PM
I found it much easier to play with the clarinet.  The viola has intonation problems and is lighter sounding.
Lighter sounding?  The viola can produce an incredible rich, dark sound.  I'm hoping you mean it's easy to 'bury' them coz the general register they play in doesn't carry all that well.
As a violist, I find that it's easy for the viola to get buried under the piano. It doesn't help that many editions (if not all) have sections of the viola part transcribed an octave lower from what the clarinet would play, even though the original clarinet part is well withing the viola's range. I'm playing this sonata now (on viola) and I'm trying to do as much as possible in the octave written for the clarinet, since a higher sound is more likely to cut through the piano. As for intonation problems...  ;D
So you're changing what Brahms wrote?  I've played the fmin and it's quite possible to adjust balance accordingly, just like playing anything with Viola.  Any accompanist has ears to listen (assuming their not deaf), it's a matter of using them!
Aside from balance (which should be a natural skill for all accompanists - or associate artists ;D), the only general thing I can really think of is tempi.  Clarinetists tend to take it a faster than viola players, but that can be discussed between the two of you.
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Re: Brahms' Viola/Clarinet Sonatas
Reply #5 on: June 24, 2009, 03:01:38 PM
So you're changing what Brahms wrote?  I've played the fmin and it's quite possible to adjust balance accordingly, just like playing anything with Viola.  Any accompanist has ears to listen (assuming their not deaf), it's a matter of using them!

Well, I suppose. I've heard violists perform these parts in both octaves (the octave in the clarinet part and the octave in the viola part) and I think it sounds better in the higher register. Very honestly, I think Brahms moved the sections an octave down because he didn't trust violists to play them in tune.
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