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Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30 (Read 9376 times)

Offline gorucan

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Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
« on: August 29, 2009, 08:47:00 AM »
Hello there.

I'm practising this specific concerto to perform it with orchestra next year.
So far I've done 1st movement with "hard" cadenza, and i read 2nd and 3rd movements.
For the 3rd I'd say I can play a bit less than half of it in tempo.

I thought it would be nice to hear Your opinions on that piece, maybe someone has to tell me something what could help me with practising or inspire me.

And don't suggest "The Shine", becaue I already watched it shortly after i learned 1st movement :)

Best greetings to all,
Jure

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #1 on: August 29, 2009, 09:46:31 AM »
If you had any recordings for us to listen to - any work in progress audio... would be really helpful.

I think in total I've heard about 12 different recordings of Rachmaninoff's 3rd Piano concerto. My personal favourite would be Olga Kern - god that woman has power in her fingers and some serious pianism. She also makes it incredibly musical - which is what a couple of pianists forget.

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #2 on: August 29, 2009, 10:45:59 AM »
Just by interest... which other concertos did you play before?
Currently learing:
- Chopin: Ballade No.3
- Scriabin: Etude Op. 8 No. 2
- Rachmaninoff: Etude Op. 33 No. 6
- Bach: P&F No 21 WTC I

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #3 on: August 29, 2009, 11:34:06 AM »
I have heard Horowitz's, Archerich's, Sokolov's, Rachmaninoff's and Feltsman's. My favorite is a tie between Feltsman's and Rachmaninoff's.


Anyway, you should probably do something to help your repeated notes before you tackle the finale.

Good luck!
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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #4 on: August 29, 2009, 08:15:11 PM »
If you had any recordings for us to listen to - any work in progress audio... would be really helpful.

I think in total I've heard about 12 different recordings of Rachmaninoff's 3rd Piano concerto. My personal favourite would be Olga Kern - god that woman has power in her fingers and some serious pianism. She also makes it incredibly musical - which is what a couple of pianists forget.

I like Argerich, Berezovsky, Van Cliburn.

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #5 on: August 29, 2009, 08:17:40 PM »
Anyway, you should probably do something to help your repeated notes before you tackle the finale.

Good luck!

Thank You,

I am aware of doubles and I am practising that like every day.
I have actually no technical problems, it's just frustrating how much practise this piece takes to perfect the fingerings and relaxed thru-playing when compared to other pieces. =) But I do have will to get it in good shape.

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #6 on: August 29, 2009, 08:19:31 PM »
Just by interest... which other concertos did you play before?

I played Mozart KV414, KV466.
I played Chopin 1st concerto, and Andante Spianato with Grande Polonaise Brillante
And Saint-Säens 2nd piano concerto.

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #7 on: August 29, 2009, 08:39:26 PM »
It is a bit of a jump from these concerti to the Rach 3.

Do you not think it wise perhaps to get a couple more under your belt before tackling this beast.??

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #8 on: August 30, 2009, 12:24:17 AM »
It is a bit of a jump from these concerti to the Rach 3.
We get this over on Piano World all the time, believe me.  People ask for advice about playing Rachmaninov 3 or Ravel's Gaspard, so what fingering should I use, any advice?  Bollocks, any pianist equipped to deal with the Parnassus of the piano repertoire would by now not need any advice on a piano forum.  Utterly ridiculous, and at any rate, that is between them and their teacher.   

So either they are just showing off, or too stupid to understand the difficulties involved, usually the latter. 

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #9 on: August 30, 2009, 06:57:16 AM »
It is a bit of a jump from these concerti to the Rach 3.

Do you not think it wise perhaps to get a couple more under your belt before tackling this beast.??

Thal

I already have concert reserved and my professor supports me with that.
So far i had no technical problems and I'm sticking with it with no fear.

We get this over on Piano World all the time, believe me.  People ask for advice about playing Rachmaninov 3 or Ravel's Gaspard, so what fingering should I use, any advice?  Bollocks, any pianist equipped to deal with the Parnassus of the piano repertoire would by now not need any advice on a piano forum.  Utterly ridiculous, and at any rate, that is between them and their teacher.  

So either they are just showing off, or too stupid to understand the difficulties involved, usually the latter.  

You are obviously unable to read. I'm not seeking advice on fingerings or something similar. I have no technical problems with that and I'm purely asking for opinions, maybe some details about the piece, in what circumstances It was written... Besides, we do have performance forums for technical issues etc. Read the description of repertoire forums!
If you don't want to post supportive posts and just flame others, get your pathetic ass off those forums...(no offence)

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #10 on: September 01, 2009, 05:32:23 AM »
you should fill all ur technique gasp before you play rach3

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #11 on: September 01, 2009, 10:20:42 AM »
you should fill all ur technique gasp before you play rach3

Guys, please stop talking about technical problems and things like that, because as i said like 3-4 times on this thread already, i have no problems with that

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #12 on: September 02, 2009, 06:08:43 AM »
Guys, please stop talking about technical problems and things like that, because as i said like 3-4 times on this thread already, i have no problems with that

Well, yeah. If people would take time to read your resume they might change the tune, but as you know, humans are lazy by nature...

In any case, I play this Concerto. The hardest part was to learn the notes (esp. 2nd movement and some 3rd) and then to put it into the fingers. Some places might feel uncomfortable and need to be "re-adjusted" to your own hands--mainly find good fingering and hands re-distribution. You need to be really creative there. If you have some specific questions feel free to ask.

Good luck--it is quite a piece. Every time you come back to it you will find new details and difficulties--one of those lifetime challenges. Although learnt many years ago, I am still working on it...

Best, M

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #13 on: September 04, 2009, 06:31:36 AM »
So you might like to choose the cadenza,and prepare the ending ,you will like to end it extremely powerful so that the audiences might scream,shout,clap loudly

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #14 on: September 04, 2009, 09:00:20 PM »
We get this over on Piano World all the time, believe me.  People ask for advice about playing Rachmaninov 3 or Ravel's Gaspard, so what fingering should I use, any advice?  Bollocks, any pianist equipped to deal with the Parnassus of the piano repertoire would by now not need any advice on a piano forum.  Utterly ridiculous, and at any rate, that is between them and their teacher.   

So either they are just showing off, or too stupid to understand the difficulties involved, usually the latter. 
He does give his web site at the end of his 1st post:
http://www.juregorucan.co.cc/
If you go there you will at least see is background and repertoire, as well as other info. Exactly what he's asking here is not entirely clear, but he seems legit otherwise.
...and she disappeared from view while playing the Agatha Christie Fugue...

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #15 on: September 05, 2009, 05:43:33 AM »
If you don't want to post supportive posts and just flame others, get your pathetic ass off those forums...(no offence)
Oh calm down.  (And you ARE quite offensive.)  Piano World has a history of this sort of stuff, so naturally I was a bit skeptical of your OP.  Several years back, someone actually posted a YouTube of a completely hapless attempt at the 'hard' cadenza to Rachmaninov 3.  And then there have been topics wherein the OP has been studying -often casually- piano for a few years and decides it's time for Rach 3.   We are then asked for 'advice'.   Wouldn't that bother you? 

I apologise if I misunderstood, okay? 

   

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #16 on: September 06, 2009, 12:51:24 AM »
double post

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #17 on: September 13, 2009, 05:20:12 AM »
I'd HIGHLY recommend watching the series of masterclasses Jorge Bolet gives on this concerto. its on youtube. just search bolet masterclass

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #18 on: September 14, 2009, 11:53:48 AM »
Oh calm down.  (And you ARE quite offensive.)  Piano World has a history of this sort of stuff, so naturally I was a bit skeptical of your OP.  Several years back, someone actually posted a YouTube of a completely hapless attempt at the 'hard' cadenza to Rachmaninov 3.  And then there have been topics wherein the OP has been studying -often casually- piano for a few years and decides it's time for Rach 3.   We are then asked for 'advice'.   Wouldn't that bother you?  

I apologise if I misunderstood, okay?  

  
Everything fine.


I'd HIGHLY recommend watching the series of masterclasses Jorge Bolet gives on this concerto. its on youtube. just search bolet masterclass
Thank You! I'll look for it.

So you might like to choose the cadenza,and prepare the ending ,you will like to end it extremely powerful so that the audiences might scream,shout,clap loudly
Yup. I chose the 'hard' cadenza.The ending neeeds drill like you said. :)

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Re: Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto in d-minor op.30
«Reply #19 on: October 20, 2009, 03:10:56 AM »
gorucan.. experience life, experience the piece... how symbolic!? (interrobang)  Oh my!